Peter Levenda | Lovecraft, The Yazidi, & Middle Eastern Magic

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Join The Higherside Chat podcast as host Greg Carlwood talks Lovecraft, Crowley and Yazidi with returning guest, Peter Levenda.

We know the world is a stranger place than it might seem on the surface, with unknown depths few people dare to explore- and when the stakes for spending too much time looking behind the veil are madness and paranoia, who can blame them?

But there is a rich history of artists, musicians, writers and creative types feeling as though they are being compelled to do what they do, that they find themselves being more conduit than creator. More vessel than virtuoso. And fans of H.P. Lovecraft’s work have even battled over this very point for years. Are there hidden truths or unconscious insights woven throughout the work of the father of “supernatural horror fiction?”

Today’s returning guest Peter Levenda thinks so, and by the end of today’s show you might be inclined to agree. Peter, of course, is the author of many books including the great Sinister Forces series discussed in his last appearance, which explores the possibility of supernatural influence in some of America’s most trying times; from a deeper exploration of the Salem Witch Trials and the potential influence of ancient Indian burial ground on a young Charles Manson, to the alchemical interests of Americas founders, and that infamous seance to channel the Council of Nine in that old farmhouse in Maine. Yes, Peter Levenda has helped us understand the significance and synchronicities between places, names, dates that really make you wonder about this idea of ethereal puppet masters and how much influence they might really have. Luckily, the surgeon of synchronicity is here to discuss his latest book, his first published novel entitled “The Lovecraft Code”, it branches off of the infamous “Call of Cthulhu” and uses a fictional narrative as the means of exploring what may be some profound truths.

2:42 While many of us understand that profound truths can sometimes be told easier in works of fiction, with beloved collections, such as “The Matrix” and “Westworld” acting as a blueprint. Peter explains his decision to write a novel and how it can be a more earnest and straightforward approach to tackling certain concepts. Levenda also details what it is was that intrigued him about the writing of H.P. Lovecraft, as well as his journey of exploration, starting with the work of Dennis Wheatley.

11:45 Peter continues to expand on the theory that the work of H.P. Lovecraft, while set in a fictional mythos involving creatures born from the figment of his imagination, when examined under a different paradigm, can be seen as a warning for what was to come. Perhaps he was simply a vessel of divine intervention? Levenda also elaborates on how Lovecraft’s work is the foundation for things such as, “The Morning of The Magicians” and the ancient alien theory.

18:30 Greg and Peter discuss the many nails in the coffin confirming Lovecraft’s work holds deeper knowledge, from his admission that some of his writing was based on his dreams- an example of unconscious reporting- to his family life, parents’ psychosis, and his grandfather’s ties to masonry.

22:20 Peter discusses his book, “The Lovecraft Code”, his experience researching it, and how it relates back to the original “Call of Cthulhu”. He also details a series of synchronicities involving Cheers writer David Angell, the events of 9/11 and Lovecraft’s work.

28:00 With so many speculations circulating in the conspiracy world about the real reason the US and it’s allies went to war in the Middle East, Peter helps to put a finer point to these ideas by detailing the rich tapestry of the area, the diverse sects scattered throughout Central Asia and the Middle East such as the Yadzidi, and how their ancient hidden knowledge holds the keys to understanding our past.

37:20 In the occult world, a major theme seems to be the quest for old grimoires, the idea that we’ve lost our magical way and reverting back to old texts or traditions might unlock greater insights. Unfortunately, as it seems to always be the case, the Yadzidi, a group considered to be a living example of people practicing these ancient traditions, find themselves on the endangered species list.  Peter describes their ancient text, The Black Book, the controversy surrounding it today, and what the consequences to the human race will be if they become extinct.

49:15 Returning to “The Lovecraft Code”, the nexus of names, places and days is a critical part of understanding the book. Peter details the bizarre saga of Karl Tanzler and how his story influenced Levenda’s novel.

57:42 With a limited understanding of some of these ancient sects in the Middle East hampering our ability to extract all pertinent information, Peter helps break down other important groups throughout this area and offers insight into what precious resources they may be protecting. One example, the Alawites, are a mystical sect of fringe Muslim under attack from Sunnis. Another are the Nuristanis, the last Pagan group in Afghanistan and the Zoroastrians who have kept their fire temple burning in Iran for thousands of years.

1:04:47 The Middle East is a a cornucopia of untapped esoteric knowledge slowly being snuffed out. Peter discusses another controversial group in this mix, the Khazarians, a non-ethnic Jewish sect. Levenda also examines the roots of Judaism, it’s descendants and criteria for being Jewish.

1:09:45 As someone who has lived in Muslim countries and has first hand experience with what is going on in those parts of the world, Peter helps us better understand the full spectrum of radical terrorism, funding from black ops projects, and the parallels between the current process of conversion and programs like MK ULTRA. Levenda also details the work of William Sargant and Frank Olsen, men who at the center of the MK ULTRA experiments and how this relates to modern day conversion.

1:19:10 Switching gears a bit, Greg and Peter return to discussing the more provocative speculation and elements of “The Lovecraft Code”. They also examine if there are any traces of a Cthulhu cult in segments of Western government and the obscure symbols used to venerate ancient deities suspiciously connected with many conspiratorial events.

1:32:40 Moving onto the mecca of all weirdness, Greg and Peter discuss the possibility of portals opening and what the beings that arise from them would look like.

1:39:00 Peter explores the possibility of the alien story being a manufactured distraction from what lays at the heart of this saga: ancient ritual practices.

1:49:00 Peter attempts to describe the sinister forces he’s noticed influencing our current landscape and election.

Want more Peter Levenda? Check out his books for a great read, or go to his site to keep up-to-date on his latest research or like him on Facebook.

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34 Responses

  1. Wow, he was on Coast to Coast just last night!

    Is that a synchronicity?

    Go get ’em, Greg. You’re up against George Noory this time! 🙂

    My money’s on you.

  2. For this old lysdexic, accustomed as I am to learning by listening, rather than by reading, this has been a gold mine. Nothing but gratitude for this ‘cast. I got plenty of learning ya-yas. Learned so much about the presence of obscure cultures that the MSM can’t/won’t give us. I never have read Lovecraft or Crowley, never got close to that stuff, save for some Cthulhu (learned everything I know from South Park (before I killed my TV), and Cthulhu’s campaign posters (I didn’t remember to write Him in). 🙁

    Got really excited at the teasers about Sekret Machines, being as how, as far as I know, I’ve not been fed my novel outlooks on gravity, gravity generation, cosmology, cosmogony, and the ‘electric universe’ paradigm, by the Grays or the Pleiadians.

    Loved the show this time for sure.

    BTW, Greg, you beat that commercial orgy on AM radio, hands down!

  3. I just went back yesterday and listened to his previous visit to your show. Peter Levenda is who I want to be when I grow up. Keep up the good work Greg. Happy new year!

    1. Haha Totally agree! He’s very wise and well spoken. His answers are always so complete and thourough, it’s hard to believe they are really off the cuff answers, but they are.

  4. An interesting interview. There were several times when my ears pricked up in surprise. Peter does seem to be a tad biased in his analysis of the “politics” re: Syria/Iraq. I mean, does he honestly believe that the US went on a bombing spree in Iraq to protect the Yazidis? Come on! And a snidey aside about President Bashar Al-Assad of Syria (an Alawi), “currently bombing the hell out of Aleppo”. No, actually, he is the president of a sovereign nation endeavouring to take back his country, something he was elected to do, from a cult/sect funded by and created by the USA ie ISIS/ISIL/”so called Islamic State” and it’s wahabi ally, Saudi Barbaria. I’m surprised that Greg didnt pick him up on this. It seems there are double standards at play here (Peter’s I mean). Nonetheless, the irritations aside, I enjoyed the interview and look forward to him returning once his Sekret Machines book is out. Good start to 2017.

    1. more my concern was when he alluded to ordinary people unjustifiably speculating about symbols, particularly over the past couple of months (erm, that wouldn’t be the biggest story re symbols, that has hit the mms in years and involves, cheese, tomato and dough would it?). Not a happy bunny. De-classified symbols from official FBI website and the same symbols appearing world wide, surely not? As synchronicity would have it for the king of sinks he got straight onto dissing skull n bones double act, which as we know is fair game for those who have left the building anyway ie Jimmy Saville, Cyrill Smith and Ted Heath to name but a few (who have left the building permanently).

  5. Happy New Year my THC family ! ? May the gods bless and protect you the whole year thru. Oh, and the next year too. I’m feeling rather optimistic. Love you guys. Esp you, our fearless leader, Mr. Greg. I wish you all the joy, love and peace that that big heart of yours can handle. I love you much, Kiddo. Me sooooo proud of you! ??❤️???

  6. Absolutely loved this as I am currently listening to Necronomicon on audiobook. Peter Levenda does such a good job dissecting Lovecraft’s work and motivations. Cracking start to 2017. Happy new year Greg and fellow Highersidechatters!

  7. Another great show Greg. I can’t really read fiction so I won’t be reading his current book but I am certainly looking forward to his next non-fiction book.

  8. Funny, I go to Peter’s website, and i can’t even find a mention of his book Lovecraft Code or the Sekret Machines…
    Wouldn’t you want to push your own books on your own site? Poor marketing. Oh well…

    Loved the interview! Thanks! I will pick up his Lovecraft book.

  9. Woah, Levenda’s knowledge of religious ethnographic history is formidable and the most fun part of his story-telling for me. Great show.

    I particularly enjoyed his contrasting ‘conversion’ to ‘radicalization.’ The bureaucratic mechanism by which experimental ‘conversion therapy’ of the mid-century actually became something else so as to eventually take on operational habit today, as exemplified by the ‘lone-gun-man, home grown, http://www.IslamicState-inspired terrorism,’ is a fascinating question to ponder. How was it institutionalized, beyond mere experimentation? How was such a thing systematized, and can it’s real history possibly be known? How much are actual ‘radicalized’ Americans responding to random messages from the environment, and how much are they being targeted by people employed to radicalize them? Can such a thing be known? Time to get Robert Guffey on the horn. (Man, I’d love to see these two guys and

    Despite all the discussions of esoteric divination, spell casting, portal opening, and ancient knowledge in the middle eastern soup of cults, Peter doesn’t appear to focus much on the shamanic traditions as they relate to plant medicines and the possibilities of alchemical transmutation through entheogenic encounter, (a metaphoric and psychological distillation of matter into gold), that seem to me central to the alchemical gnostic traditions. These technics, philosophies and traditions seem to have been severed or disappeared among european christian mystics pretty thoroughly long ago. Perhaps these traditions exist among the old ‘kafiristani’ tribes in tact? Or perhaps these traditions were lost many centuries ago, leaving only untranslatable, encoded oral traditions without any operational, botanical memory, no logos, no living, working knowledge? I guess all the more reason to restore a hospitable environment in the region and work out our own shit at home to enable equitable studies of the subject…

    I wonder where Leveson would fall on this synthesis of McKenna, Ruck, and Eliade relative to the occult traditions in the Hindu-Kush and beyond? (Eliade provided a proto-gyroscopic cosmic model at the center of all shamanic rites. Though he did not perceive the divinity of the entheogen, as the others insist, his model is perfectly consistent with both the entheogenic experience AND, as it happens, the E.U. model of cosmology.) Regardless, is it safe to ask, has his “prolific experience with ‘occultists'” not revealed this same view to him?

    What about you, Greg? Lotsa ins, lotsa outs, lotsa what’have yous, I presume.
    Any thoughts on tripping afghanis and the secrets revealed in their visions?
    I just hope you’re keeping the mind, ah, limber, if ya know what I mean.

    Raise a pipe to the Kush, eh? Certainly while they’re besieged on all sides, anyway, and under fire on the mountain.


    PS. Dude! Nice new player. Fancy buttons!

    1. D’aww Kinkrbelle your puppy in your icon is adorable. Give tiny kisses to them on my behalf. Given your username, stockroom is having a huge (plenty huge) sale until the 24th of this month, a quick heads up :3

  10. It took me this long to get around to hearing my favorite researcher/Higherside chat guest. Thanks so much, Greg for keeping in touch with him and banging out another mind blower. I’m turning on more friends to your show, as well as to Levenda.

  11. Greg I highly rec you check this spec –

    Listened twice today to your superb interview. Caught that part where you mentioned about ‘assuming’ – not sure if you see what I see, I won’t assume, but KAPOW WOW you got it now!

    Loved this. I’ve listened to just about every interview on the net with Levenda… this is one of the finest, and surely you deserve accolades. Too kind, perhaps, or perhaps, I humbly say, you deserve a crown of laurels once in a fucking while.

    Cheers you crazy diamond.

  12. After listening to him talk about “Tutulu” I figured I’d look it up in the Hebrew Bible. Quite interestingly, it is a word that means “(You plural) shall be cast out/down,” which to me immediately evokes the Satan/Lucifer mythology. The word comes from the Hebrew root Tul (טול). The root shows up in Isaiah 22:15-20, Jeremiah 22:27-30 and Proverbs 16:33. Even more interestingly, it is both used as a root to refer to people being cast out (kings from their thrones, Israelites from the land of Israel) and to lots being cast in Proverbs. I’d be super interested to see what Peter has to say about this! Any way of getting this info to him?

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