Join host Greg Carlwood of The Higherside Chats podcast as he talks meme magick, Pepe the Frog, and Trump with guest, ATL Carver.
We have spent plenty of time in past episodes exploring the potential influence of both magick and the immortal, archetypal beings it can conjure up. And although many of us can see there’s something there, the line between otherworldly influence and potential coincidence often blurs too much to be sure what’s what. As much as we might want to see things as black and white- it does seem increasingly obvious that we’re living in a world of gray.
So when we hear a story such as The Council of Nine, and realize that in the “oh so strange year of 1947”- prominent, influential members of the upper crust were experiencing ritual contact with beings that claimed to be ancient Egyptian gods, poised to work their will through these elite liaisons- we should probably pay attention. And when someone makes the case that, in the words of today’s guest “We live in a world where a group of internet misfits meme-magicked a celebrity madman into the White House with the help of an ancient Egyptian deity”, wee should definitely pay attention.
Today’s guest, ATL Carver, is a thoughtful observer of mental phenomena, student of esoteric philosophy and author of the most prominent piece on today’s strange subject “The Truth About Pepe the Frog & The Cult of Kek”, as well as his first book on the power of personal magic called “You’re Imagining Things”.
2:37 To unravel the tangled web of totality required for understanding meme-magick’s role in the election of Trump, one must start from the beginning by defining exactly what a meme is and how an image can be used to more fully define a truth.
5:15 Diving into the Pepe saga itself, ATL Carver explains the origins of the cartoon, from the artist Matt Furie to 4chan’s co-opting and manipulation of the image dating as far back as 2008. They also specifically discuss 4chan’s role, including relevant characteristics of the community, the anonymity it offers, the cataloging of posts, and the almighty dubs.
11:20 ATL Carver details how one of the boldest examples of dubs synchronicity relates to Pepe the Frog and the ancient Egyptian deity of chaos known as, Kek. They continue by discussing the parallels between Kek, a symbol of darkness and the unknown, and the archetype of Lucifer, the light-bringer and trickster.
21:15 After describing how the efforts of the 4chan community began manifesting into reality, ATL Carver explains the significance of Hillary Clinton’s collapse on 9/11.
28:42 With the mainstream media acting as a branch of the Clinton camp, and their combined efforts to push the narrative that the Trump campaign represents an alt-right, Nazi, white nationalist agenda, Greg and ATL Carver discuss the use of the deity Kek, and the failed attempts to misrepresent Trump and his supporters by labeling them as racist, sexist, and xenophobic.
33:35 After examining some of the interactions of the 4chan community with this entity, ATL Carver details the personality of Kek and provides a few examples of encounters with this deity.
40:10 ATL Carver and Greg continue to discuss the power of the 4chan community and it’s use of meme-magick.
50:15 Greg and ATL Carver revisit the Kek and Pepe meme, by discussing another fascinating synchronicity found in a fan made Pokemon game called Pokemon Chaos.
58:18 Although the elite’s use and implementation of magick can be a bit disturbing, the fact remains, magick is a tool for self empowerment. Unfortunately, the other side to this coin is the personal responsibility that accompanies this empowerment. Greg and ATL Carver explore this topic and examine whether we are in a position to understand and use magick effectively.
1:06:10 Chaos magick is all about perspective and definition. Greg and ATL Carver consider pivotal moments in retrospect where magick may have been at work. They also discuss the importance of questioning things and Hollywood’s agenda to distort and appropriate magick.
1:11:20 When you develop a magical perspective, your perception of reality changes in many ways. While some say this reality can be illusionary or even holographic in nature- it is certainly safe to say that reality appears to be much more flexible in nature where magick is involved.
1:13:50 ATL Carver explains whether Trump has any insight into the power of language, and if he implored it during the campaign.
1:20:00 Greg and ATL Carver continue discussing the mechanics of magick and contacting entities, by examining the cycle that includes entity contact and interaction leading to deep layers of self-realization of the subconscious. They also touch on .
1:25:50 With gender, sexuality and feminism playing major roles in this year’s election, Greg and ATL Carver explore Kek’s influence and how it relates to modern conservatism of 4chan.
1:29:42 ATL Carver gives his best advice for a magick novice to get started.