Show Notes


Join The Higherside Chats podcast as host, Greg Carlwood, talks with returning guest, Walter Bosley.

With deep state technology and secret science becoming harder to suppress, and our understanding of past and present black ops programs constantly expanding, it is easy to see why stories of breakaway civilizations and secret space programs have piqued public interest.

From the inception of NYMZA, America’s first military industrial complex, to the sensational saga of the Sonora Aero Club, today’s returning guest, Walter Bosley, has followed these threads deep down the rabbit hole and today he joins The Higherside almost a year later to update us on where his research has taken him recently.
2:30 As an accomplished researcher in tracking back the history of secret flying machines, deep-state technology and the influence of German Nationalists, Walter has been able to fill the gaps lingering behind in our current understanding of history, along with congruently constructing a coherent narrative that goes beyond the basic bullet points. Kicking things off, Bosley provides some context about the Prussian Nationalist organization NYMZA that was established sometime between the 1850s and 1900s for the purpose of researching advanced technologies in pursuit of a unified Germany. Bosley breaks down the transformation of this group from the Nazi Party of Germany, to the Sonora Aero Club.
10:42 After breaking down the creation and mission of NYMZA an explaining the conception of several sub-groups, Greg and Walter turn their attention to a group Bosley has labeled the “1903”as they discuss Michael Busby’s book “Solving The 1987 Airship Mystery”, Solomon Andrew’s attempt to involve Abraham Lincoln’s administration in the development of advance airships, and the subsequent formation of what may have been the first American black-ops project. Bosley also elaborates on the rumored legend of a Tesla designed airship used by a breakaway civilization to fly to Mars.
22:00 Greg and Walter examine how this beyond belief saga involves everyone’s favorite reality TV President, Donald Trump. Bosley describes a Dellschau drawing dating back to the 1890s referencing a craft from 30 years prior belonging to a man with the surname Trump. And, as if that isn’t odd enough, the coincidences go from interesting to eerie as Walter details the connections between Trump’s ancestors to the Sonora Aero Club, the1897 Airship Mysteries, and Tesla.
33:00 Greg and Walter discuss a lost interview of John G. Trump that has proved incredibly enlightening and consist of several high profile mentions, including working for Weston when it became Bell Labs and consulting for Vannevar Bush.
42:00 Continuing with the topic of Trump, Greg and Walter discuss several synchronicities such as the similarities between the Dellschau drawing and modern-day Trump marketing, as well as it appearing in the 4500 series of Dellschau’s work and Trump being our 45th president.
Become a Plus Member at to hear a second hour of all THC episodes. This week’s included:

– the story of his father and the humans he encountered that had gone underground

– what Walter’s military mentors told him was found in Antartica in the 1950s

– David Wilcock and Corey Goode

– the underground chamber found below Carlsbad Caverns & the remnants of an advanced civilization

– other stories from the subterranean realms

A few valuable resources from the interview:
Walter Bosley on The Higherside Chats “Disneyland’s Hidden Magic”:
Walter Bosley on The Higherside Chats “Breakaway Civilization, The Sonora Aero Club”:
A few interesting designs by Charles Dellschau:
Michael Busby’s book “Solving The 1897 Airship Mystery”:
Steven Romano’s Gallery:
John G. Trump- Tesla Tech and Nuclear Power Archived Interview:
Want more Walter Bosley?
Check out his website “Empire of the Wheel”, where you can keep up-to-date on Walter’s recent work and check out his comprehensive blog:
And be sure to grab one of his many books, including “The Lost Expedition of Sir Richard Francis Burton”, or “ORIGIN: The Nineteenth Century Emergence of the 20th Century Breakaway Civilizations”, which are available at the Lost Continent Library:

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34 Responses

  1. Greg, I loved your little remark about hate being instrumentalized in service of “Free Range Totalitarianism” (Gordon White). You might want to jump over to Ecosophia, where John Michael Greer just posted an essay called “Hate is the new Sex”: it’s how the use of “hate” in todays public discourse mirrors the use of “Sex” in Victorian Culture: As a moral sledgehammer and a manipulative tool that further divides society to the benefit of the elites.

    Also regarding the guest: Walter Bosley is discovering the Magonian dimension of UFOlogy for himself, I love it! I’d love to see a book from him from the other side of the Rubicon, hopefully he will write it one day.

      1. Mr. Greer lives near me in MD and would lecture in the occult shop that was here until just recently when they closed their doors.
        He has some interesting reading material on the market, and would definitely make a great guest in regards to magick, folklore, cryptids, etc.

  2. Man I love it when Walter rips into David Goodecock. Thank you for not giving either of these frauds the privilege of an appearance.

    This is the deepest I think I’ve heard Bosley delve into the esoteric yet. Great, great show.

    1. I also cracked a big smile when he summarily dismissed those Douchebags.

      That said, I appreciate the fact that charlatans like Wilcock, Goode, Fulford, are funded and promoted to be out there for a reason, one that isn’t always so clear.

      Spinning the milieu into a “Space Brothers are coming to save us” package serves the PT Barnum demographic wonderfully. Absent this sort of research and analysis, those outside that demographic might also be inclined to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

      This is some next level dot connecting and is bringing incredible elucidation to dozens of otherwise seemingly disparate threads toward an awareness that has the potential to be mind blowing, even to veteran Red Pillers.

      Outstanding work!

  3. I was enjoying the show until he started talking about socialism and dismissing both the left and right as globalist… i thought the cynicism around 1:32 was over the top, dude is completely out of touch with history — like the reason women and people of color have any rights is because they fought for them, the only reason we have 8 hour work days and minimum wages at all is because the labor movement forced the governments hand, not to mention labor unions are the only reason anyone has healthcare and we dont have 5 year olds working in factories… does this guy think all protests are a waste of time? does he think the DAPL and BLM activists are just being silly? I think its completely hypocritical to dismiss people being forceful in politics as idealist children while telling people to just work on themselves… Bosley is the real utopian and idealist if he really believes anything meaningful is going to change with individual choices; imo organizing is the only way anything meaningful happens in politics (admittedly, I consider myself a far leftist)

    That said, the rest of the show was great; I found the trump and prussia stuff very interesting, and appreciated your hosting as always Greg! I love that even when I find a guest’s perspective disagreeable, I still always enjoy the show — props and keep it up!

    1. It is true. Change yourself and change the world. Only sincere self-reflection and transmutation upon the personal shadow can reveal this.

      We are ALL simultaneously TheGreatestGood and TheGreatestEvil.

      To think we are moral at all, and to attempt to change another before we completely revolutionize our own psyche will on keep us in bitterness and spite.
      This is why Hate is the tool.

      To Hate a Racist is totally counterproductive and regressive.

      This is why we see the paradigm shift of TheLeft to Communism.
      Think you want Don out?
      Just wait until PC Principal ascends to PC President, then the real fun begins.

  4. I loved it. It took a few “if’s” to get to the 1903 club, but like he said, it’s still possible. Funny how the Hindenburg came along and fucked over the entire airship industry. Maybe the Hindenburg disaster was to hide the path to the real tech. Make a smaller airship, throw some magnets in it, boom ufo. But they said fuck that, you need a plane instead, and pay for gas.

    The best part was still Antarctica. Just saying

    1. That is a very interesting video. It was on youtube; not sure about now. Mr. Bosley doesnt seem to have looked into the reasons as to why Hitler came to power; due to the intended destruction of Germany by Bolshevism and eventually the goal of destroying europe which Hitler foresaw. Plus, Germany was fucked over by the Versailles Treaty and descended into extreme decadence and economic meltdown which he managed to reverse. It is well worth looking into the actual history of his rise to power and the reasons for it. It seems that Bolshevism is on the rise again these days, but ironically, not in Russia. Makes you think.

  5. Hey, Greg, excellent show.
    Yeah, I could not possibly disagree more with Bosely’s ideas about Trump. But, as you suggest, he did bring up a lot of very interesting ideas. I admire your ability to listen calmly to and give a forum to people you might not necessarily agree with.
    And yes, obviously people like Corey Good and David Wilcox are clearly out there doing their carny shtick to make a buck and mostly to discredit anyone who dares question the dominant narrative. Flat earth works the same way.
    Keep up the good work.

  6. Great episode, I definitely appreciate Bosley’s contributions regarding the Aero Club and Airship Mysteries. The John G. Trump link is indeed really interesting and shows that Trump has some close family connections to the American elite class.

    A few points where we differ:

    The rooster is crowing because he is a narcissist and it attracts attention.

    Trump definitely doesn’t act like he is playing 4-D chess of the delorean (which Bosley agrees isn’t really feasible) or remote-viewing style, although I don’t begrudge it might not be possible the author of the Baron Trump book and Last President might have been tapping into something, but there seem to be limited correlations. I’m still planning on reading the underground journeys book anyway, because it’s a hollow earth book, but I’m not expecting much more than I have read in news stories on the subject in terms of correlations to present day Trump.

    I am glad he reviewed the Trump time-machine / Sonora aero club material (especially since I can now focus on the true thrust of the fascism episode). I traced back Trump’s lineage to around 1700 and couldn’t find a Homer Trump branch, so the split would have to have happened before that for the whole aero-club link to exist, not impossible, just not very likely – especially when the technology of the day made communication difficult across a distance.

    With regard to the “mafia” backing Trump is it really less likely that it is the literal former KGB / Russian Mafia oligarcy rather than the “1903”? I would have to say there is quite a bit more evidence for the Russians than the 1903 group in this regard, and I have a feeling that Trump laundering money for his Russian investors prior to any Presidential bid is the more likely source of his financial comeback after the bankruptcies of the 90’s. Most among us recognize that the communists were funded by the same bankers that funded the NAZIs so “opposing” ideologies really only had fascism as a common denominator. In reality NATO and the RU / China / Iran axis are working toward the same goals by pitting one half of the world against the other so they could also just represent different factions vying for power within the same organization (Army/navy/marines/airforce rivalries as an example). Putin has often tried to make the case (one which most of us would agree with in part) that the USA is not any less corrupt, just less honest about it, so he is a better world leader – essentially, all leaders of empires will all abuse, exploit, and oppress you, I’m just not trying to hide the fact. . .

    By using Trump as a wedge to divide the country and as a candidate that had loans from Russian oligarchs and the Kremlin itself would have leverage against it would be a win-win for Putin even if acting alone (but I think it more likely he is just playing his part in the global hierarchy and taking the position that has been co-ordinated to some degree, although he may be jockeying for further influence).

    For the sake of argument if Putin were acting as a completely sovereign agent: If everything went to plan he had his man in office, he could demonstrate the thrust of the argument he had been making for the hypocrisy of American moral superiority by manipulating Trump and also make inroads in Syria and the Ukraine by capitulation. If the operation were exposed (as it seems to be to a degree now) and succeeded in installing Trump it would demonstrate the ability of the security agencies to carry out a propaganda operation against the USA during active military conflicts (a propaganda win of it’s own) and the USA would be left demoralized and divided and these feelings could possibly be parlayed into a second civil war. If the operation were unsuccessful then there would be little lost, it is remarkably cheap to interfere in elections, and a side effect of the racist memes being spread would act as a wedge in the country.

    But isn’t it interesting that this division mirrors the division being created in Europe over the refugee crisis there with both Russia and USA/NATO involved in the conflict creating the crisis? Add to that rising nationalist right-wing influence expanding in Europe (including Germany) due to stresses on working class jobs, ongoing operation gladio false-flags, and propaganda designed to vilify all muslims as criminal rapist terrorists. Then there is Comey – the dude who shot a mortar across Clinton’s bow right before the finish line and was at the time covertly monitoring the Trump campaign as we know now for Russian influence. Additionally it was the Electoral College (the traditional bastion of the rich white landowner) that actually put Trump into office, overriding the popular vote (at least what was reported- another source of division). So it would seem that the candle is burning at both ends from the beginning of the Trump presidency and both sides are using him with a common purpose with the end baked in with Trump as the patsy snuffed in his first term – in all likelihood letting him think it was his idea . . or. . . they stage another 9/11 to make him dictator before the full flock of Russian comes home to roost – but then why the investigation? Perhaps to create a constitutional crisis or civil war? It seems to me that the common core of the whole situation is falling American imperial and economic influence internationally and the division of the American people, but to what end remains to be seen. But it seems a change (as foretold by the eclipse horoscope) in Trumps job one way or the other is in the offing. . .

    1. Regarding the ‘refugee crisis’ in Europe. I can speak from a UK perspective. It is in reality an orchestrated mass migration from north Africa and southern Asian countries, not war-zones. The indigenous Europeans are being replaced. The project is well advanced in most large urban areas. We can speculate on which rival group desires the removal of Europeans as a competitor.

    2. I live in England. There is not a “refugee” crisis in Europe. What there is is a systematic plan to replace native populations. It is easier enough to find out the instigators. The majority of the so called refugees (in actuality the vast majority are economic migrants from Africa) are males under 25. The reason you have the rise of parties like the Front National in France and the AfD in Germany is because it is these countries that have imported the most terrorist migrants into their cities. It is a reaction. I cant believe that i’m defending US/UK military activity but they are not the main reasons for the influx of migrants into Europe. Just take a look at some of the staggering statistics coming out of Sweden, Germany, France and now unfortunately, Britain. Then take a look at similar stats from Poland, Czech Rep. and Hungary. That will tell you all you need to know about a manufactured crisis. Might be worth youtubing Barbara Lerner Spectre as an “in”…

      1. In truth, a refugee, is one who flees a war zone to the next neighboring country that provides the safe harbor of the person. Since they skipped across half the world, even in definition, they are migrants, not refugees.

  7. I enjoy the idea of Trump winning through Magick, my thoughts can’t help but entertain the previous presidents. Did Obama win through magick? Are there any interesting examples for his presidential race? Or is this something new? Are both or all factions in power trying to use magick to win, and whoever can summon the most, like KEK, wins?

  8. A very entertaining episode in parts, especially airships to “mars”. Ive been looking into the Orbs phenomenon for a while now and I believe it is worth treating with caution any “encounters”. Assuming they are interdimensional beings that can “tap in” to assume a more recognisable shape relevant to the time sand culture eg Flying saucer, faery, Virgin Mary or even Grandad Fred etc, it would be wise imo to treat such experiences as not what they appear to be. In some philosophy it is assumed that the 4D realm of such entities is still subject to polarity thus it best to treat such entities as potential liars until one has definately established their authenticity. I thin Keel mentions this in Operation Trojan Horse which I have yet to read. Vallee talks about it in Passport to Magonia and Dimensions when comparing CE3’s with faery lore. Talking of faery lore, the Tuatha de Danaan are last faery inhabitants of ireland before they were forced underground by us folks. The Tuatha are The People of the Goddess Danu and I think, if memory serves correctly that they held the power of sovereignty in ireland, or at least Danu did. The Irish pantheon derives from the Tuatha including such figures as Lugh, Macha and so on. In Welsh Cymric lore the equivalent to the Tuatha are the Tylwyth Teg. Going back to orbs and the archontic connection there is a very interesting now out of print book by Anthony Roberts, a native of Glastonbury when alive ( he died whilst climbing the Tor-struck down by the faery fella’s master stroke?) who wrote very cogently on such 4D entities; The Dark Gods is the title.
    One last thing. I can no longer take Brandenburg seriously after he was on Skeptiko being interviewed by Gordon White. In that shows forum there was some very interesting and complicated science that shot holes in his theory of residual radiation. I asked Gordon about this a while ago but he hadnt checked the science apparently!

  9. Absolutely enjoyed this show! You didn’t leave any stone unturned. WALTER presented his deep resovoir of knowledge so clearly. I’m going to see if I can get a hold of one of his books. Great job!!!

  10. How delicately you expose the soft underbelly of your guest. Always the right question, the very slight acknowledgement of a dodged a question, of which there were many. You got the most he could give while highlighting, in my opinion those places he didn’t want to go. To use his words, greg “you put the ink in the water” like no other. Thanks

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