Robert W. Sullivan IV | Cinema Symbolism 2, Occult Casting, & More Movie Magic

Show Notes

Join host Greg Carlwood, of The Higherside Chats podcast as he talks cinema symbolism with returning guest, Robert Sullivan.
While the topic of cinema symbolism isn’t new to THC, considering the size and scope of the Hollywood’s reach, it may be time to take another look at the esoteric allegory and cinematic sorcery used to encode eternal archetypes, alchemical transofrmation, and occult ritual.
Fortunately, today’s returning guest, Robert Sullivan, once again joins The Higherside to help us unfold the symbols and subtext behind the Hollywood machine. As a best selling author, lawyer, and 32nd degree Freemason, Sullivan offers an unmatched understanding of the deeper meaning behind some of society’s most beloved films.
3:20 Kicking things off, Robert discusses the importance of his work, the transformation of this new medium and how movies have become mythology that has permeate the culture and affect the collective consciousness. Driving home this point, Sullivan walks through history’s greatest masterpieces from Shakespeare’s cryptic messages and Mozart’s masonic inspired opera “The Magic Flute” to films such as “Frankenstein”, “The Wizard of Oz” and the “James Bond” series. Through writing his book, “The Royal Arch of Enoch”, Sullivan discovered an intricately woven web of esoteric themes such as Gnosticism, occult symbolism, and eternal archetypes appearing in many of the mainstream cinematic classics cherished in our society.
5:30 Greg and Robert discuss the life, work and beliefs of Alan Moore, famed creator of the graphic novels “The Watchmen” and “V for Vendetta”.
11:42 Robert details examples in Gnostic themed films such as “The Wizard of Oz”, “Alice and Wonderland”, and “V for Vendetta”, that include an initiation into mystery school traditions through suffering, anti-materialism, and rejection of a false reality, resulting the receiving of gnosis.
22:30 Greg and Robert discuss the aspect of actor selection that Sullivan refers to as, occult selection. Robert explains that while there has been a more obvious push for occult symbolism in film from the music, imagery and dates used, another form of cinematic sorcery involves using the actors themselves as cultural valences through esoteric baggage from previous roles.
28:30 Robert breaks down Disney and the occult, the geometry of Epcot Center, and John Dee’s influence.
34:00 Greg and Robert continue to discuss the impact of people like John Dee, the use of occult mathematics, and their deconstruction of the material world. Sullivan expands on their application of the number nine, it’s unique qualities, and it’s numerological importance.
42:00 After covering the deep laden symbolism of “The Lion King”, Greg and Robert move on to another chunk of films that has taken hold in the collective consciousness and imprinted on the ethos, J.K. Rowling’s “Harry Potter” series.
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– the Joker’s embodiment of the Hanged Man tarot card, in multiple films

– tarot’s relationship to Kabbalah and how both relate to “Robin Hood”

– magic, Masonry, & the Church

– archetypes of the Spaghetti Western genre

– “The Shining” and the Moon Landing and how Robert’s background as a Freemason colors the lens from which he views the moon landings

– Stanley Kubrick’s “Eyes Wide Shut”

– how to rectify political and historical figures who have abused power and caused suffering being Freemasons or belonging to certain groups, and not condemn the group itself

– the relationship between the original Illuminati and the Jesuits

-The Warriors: a Gnostic perspective

A few valuable resources from the interview:
Robert Sullivan’s 1st appearance on The Higherside Chats “The Secrets of Masonic Ritual, Philosophy and Symbolism”:
Robert Sullivan’s 2nd appearance on The Higherside Chats “Cinema Symbolism and Esoteric Archetypes of Hollywood”:
Here is a list of the movies mentioned in the interview:
“Evil Speak”
“James Bond”
“The Wizard of Oz”
“From Hell”
“The Matrix”
“The Truman Show”
“The Watchmen”
“V for Vendetta”
“Alice and Wonderland”
“Blade Runner”
“Halloween 3”
“The Shining”
“Eyes Wide Shut”
“The Omega Man”
“The Matrix Reloaded”
“Star Wars Episode 7: The Force Awakens”
“The Matrix Revolutions”
“The Dark Knight”
“The Exorcist”
“Lost Highway”
“The Lion King”
“Harry Potter”
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21 Responses

  1. VoldemoRt! And Mufasa.
    There is nothing mentioned about the North in the Lion King. Mufasa tells Simba that everything the light touches is theirs. Simba asks “what about that shadowy place?” Mufasa tells him that it’s beyond their borders and that he must never go there. That’s it.
    Sorry, but those are two of my favorite movies and are meaningful to me. The Lion King played in our house every day for a very long time, so I can recite it just about word for word.
    JKR did intentionally use names and words for their meanings. The books are full of them! I don’t know if she had some sort of inside knowledge, or if she was very good at her research.
    I think the movies were so popular because there just wasn’t anything like it for kids at that time. The subject matter combined with the fact that they weren’t dumbed down for kids, that was very appealing. Complex sentences, big words, serious subject matter, while still having kids be kids when they could… Name another book that came out at that time with all that. A huge bonus for them also being books that adults got into! I loved them, and they were a huge part of my kids’ childhoods.

  2. Great topics, very esoteric, very Masonic, very occult. For real though, has anyone talked about Billzards Starcraft series? Seems pretty occult, it was the first time I saw the word “archon” back in middle school. Plus you have the protoss (engineers) the terran (human) and the zerg (evil incarnate). Plus the general Gnostic themes of opposition to a propagandizing centralized authority.

  3. Three or four repeats or just kinda not very interesting.
    Would’ve liked to have heard someone discussing Vegas
    Or, that old fire in your belly stuff.
    Maybe I’m the jaded one. Hopefully…

  4. Hi Greg,

    Great chat. Said with the greatest of respect to the guest – a lot of these films mentioned were re-makes/ taken from Japanese cinema.

    Lion King was from Kimba the White Lion, the director was one of the for-fathers of Animation.
    Sergio Leone’s masterpieces were taken from the legendary Filmmaker Akria Kurosawa’s films
    Whom also made a film that Star Wars was took the story plots as well as styles from (Hidden Fortress).
    The magnificent seven was from probably the greatest film of all time – 7 Samurai
    John Ford (director of those John Waynes) was also a massive ‘fan’ of him as well.
    Also Kubrick based Clockwork Orange on a Japanese film.
    Matrix was ‘heavily influenced’ as well.
    Black Swan was also from Perfect Blue (a director that Nolan took a lot from)

    While these films were not about JC nor did they include Masonic symbolism, the narrative points and even dialogue were almost identical. Japanese mysteries are very different from the west. Its a sad that the ‘evil’ is trying to deconstruction it. That is a talk for another day, this said there is something every unique about Japan and Occult mysteries. There was speculation that the holy grail is in there and there is a small town in Northern Japan that claims Jesus lived and died there post crucifixion.,_Aomori

    It is said that the emperor is a sort of blood line to these groups but for some reason outed. There is also the talk of Japanese gold hidden from the “Americans” from World War two.

    Not saying this is prevalent in the films.

    Forgive the waffle further, I have a genuine love of their culture. since the ‘attack’ on Japan started about 10 years ago. The rise of illuminati symblisum has started in Japanese music. Which has infulenced american pop heavily as well. Don’t know where I’m going with this so forgive the waffle.

    Another interest on talk of Japan, it was said that Japan did suppase American wealth in the day but due to a law chance in new york it collapsed. Interesting that we are seeing rises of these other new empires but nothing is being done about it.

    Hope this makes sense my dyslexia is very strong today.

    Great talk as always,

  5. Masonry includes a lot of myths and symbols, but that does not mean that they own these symbols. There is place for myths and symbols outside of masonry.

    I started writing a story, and guess what, I automatically put lots of symbols and archetypes in there. If this story would become a book or even a movie, I am sure some people would analyse it and subsequently assume that I am offering hidden truths etc.

    Movies have to be financially viable, and writers found that an attractive movie displays symbols and archetypes, as these things linger in the subconsciousness. People will be drawn to such stories, as they explore solutions to fundamental questions of existence.

    The basic story line is:

    – underdog develops “powers”
    – uses these to solve a problem
    – gets hindered by antagonist
    – dies or introspects
    – finally conquers the antagonist
    – is an underdog no more but king

  6. Suspiria’s soundtrack was the first of many soundtracks done by the Italian prog band Goblin. They did a bunch of Argento’s movies after that along with the original Dawn of the Dead soundtrack. Interesting album art on their non-movie, but worth a listen.

  7. Great show, Greg. I found this guy to be waaaay more informative than Isaac Weishaupt (sp?). I believe that was the guy talking about Disney and Lucas a few months back. Can’t wait to hear more about recent events.

    1. Hey, also, I was thinking about the points he made on Horus’ myth in entertainment and movies…sounds a whole fucking lot like Jon Snow’s arc in Game of Thrones, right? Lord of Light, the barren North (maybe you could compare the Night King to Set?), fugitive baby, death and rebirth. I mean fuck, he just kinda unraveled that story for me.

  8. As much as it’s ridiculed, TWILIGHT has gnostic overtones. The main character’s name is Bella Swan…. which made me much more convinced when swan was the name used in warriors. There is definite anti religion in the films. Volturi clearly representing the Catholic Church. Hiding the truth of divine feminine and masculine represented by Bella and Edward.

    Interesting interview. I’m always skeptical when masons come on the show. It just feels like they won’t give you all the info—and rituals are ok to perform….. I wanna know why? What kind of rituals? Anyone here feel like they only give you exoteric info about themselves….. hmmm…???

  9. Just listened to this one (been catching up since I couldn’t afford to sub for a couple of months). There was some good info and you killed it as always. I just got annoyed that not only could Robert not get Mufasa or Voldemort correct, but he kept calling you “Craig”.

    Great show either way as always, brother. Peace.

  10. Searched Buzz Aldrin 1973 because of Clutch’s “Spacegrass” after listening to Robert Sullivan interview saying Buzz Aldrin is a free mason… The game show “I’ve Got a Secret” is the first thing to pop up. Super weird interview.

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