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Walter Bosley | NYMZA, The Sonora Aero Club, & The Origins of the Breakaway Civilization

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Join the Higherside Chats podcast as Greg Carlwood hosts returning guest, Walter Bosley. Bosley has upped the ante with his research into a group of Hermetic Prussian Nationalist called NYMZA, artist Charles Dellschau, and a secret society of exotic craft makers in California called the Sonora Aero Club. It’s a deep and rich Pandora’s box of conspiracy goodness that connects some dots and fills in many gaps- taking the popular idea o a 20th century breakaway civilization and extending the timeline back to it’s 19th century beginnings ad beyond.

[2:42] Starting at the beginning, this saga suggests that certain people uncovered a lost civilization about secret technologies that might have come from an advanced civilization in the ancient past, or information brought here from another world. So, before diving into it’s rediscovering in the 19th century, Greg and Walter establish exactly what there was to rediscover. As Walter explains, in order to fully trace the history of such ancient technologies, one has to go back to the days of Atlantis,the story from the Mahabharata about ancient wars involving the use of such technologies.
[7:00] Walter elaborates on exactly how this new technology found its way to Earth. He theorizes, there was a war between two off- planet factions with the losing party eventually finding it’s way here, attempting to re-establish a civilization, and colonizing. While inhabiting the planet, they slowly impart their knowledge of these advanced technologies to alchemist and Hermetic societies, with the end goal being that we develop into such an advanced culture, we may one day fight on their behalf against their intergalactic foes.
[15:00] After tracing the saga from Alexandria, we find the six degrees of separation include the Knights Templar, Freemasonry, royal societies, Angelic societies to Prussian nationalists via the Teutonic Knights. With Prussian nationalists throwing the fuel on the fire, Greg and Walter discuss the secret German society NYMZA, their surrogate Charles Dellschau and the connection to the Sonora Aero Club.
[26:00] To put a finer point on the type of technology being used, Greg and Walter discuss the mechanics and science behind what makes these airships fly. As Walter explains, because the only references we have exist in the works of Dellschau and witness reports of the airship mysteries, when researchers take an honest look into the events that happened, the technology depicted by Dellschau is curiously similar to the other had witnessed in the 1890s.  According to Walter, these technologies included the rotation of objects and involved a composition of green liquid referred to by Peter Mennis as, Supe.
[32:30] From green goo and rotating bells in German technological advances, Greg and Walter move onto discussions of telluric currents of the Earth and how they tie into this airship technology. As Walter explains, when looking into the sightings of the 1890’s mystery and where the Sonora Aero Cub was active, you find they correlate to where these telluric currents have been established and known to exist. Walter contends these ships not only use these currents as a track, but this “world grid” is an integral part of how this technology actually works.
[38:00] Bringing the legends of the Sonora Aero Club full circle, Greg and Walter discuss the affiliation between their location in California and the infamous Gold Rush. Stories of the alchemy and a fascination with gold are commonplace, but Walter elaborates by detailing how this may go beyond a simple interest, and extend into a knowledge that may include how and where the planet produces gold.
[43:30] Greg and Walter discuss the possibility that an area of the Earth may be engineered to produce gold. Walter contends the Earth has the potential to act a massive manipulatable bio-machine. Sesh Heri’s, “Handprint of Atlas”, also details how off Earth civilizations may have landed here and began engineering eco-systems that best suit their lifestyle.
[51:42] Continuing to follow the paper trail of money, we realize that Germans began to plant a foothold in the US as early as the Civil War era, instead of post WWII, making black ops projects such as Project Paperclip seems like a more natural evolution. One interesting perspective involves Brown Brothers Harriman, and their affiliation to Prescott Bush. A group of German bankers known as Kuhn, Loeb & Co., who controlled 65% of the physical railroads throughout the US, funded E.H. Harriman’s purchase of the Union Pacific Railroad.
[1:05:00] Returning to the Bosley chart, Greg and Walter begin to speculate on the state of this hidden technology now. Walter identifies NYMZA as a breakaway civilations, and begins to elaborate on the saga of Dr. Solomon Andrews. Dr. Andrews, during the time of the Civil War, presented before Congress, his work and studies involving flying airships, or as he calls them, aerons. Although, publicly nothing came of this presentation, Walter contends government officials had the foresight to acknowledge the power of such technologies, and thus stated the first black ops programs to develop said technology. Connecting the dots, Walter explains the probability that the airship mysteries of the 1890’s may all be attributed to this first black ops program.
[1:12:30] Greg and Walter discuss another interesting legend from the 20th century era sagas involving technology that claims Tesla may have send a craft to Mars. Listen as Walter the probability given the new context they’ve examined.
[1:20:00] Travelling south, Greg and Walter discuss the ventures of this Prussian group in South America, the huge quantities of gold in those areas, and the coincidental airship sightings that have been so prevalent to these areas.
[1:32:30] Returning to the Mahabharata and legends of ancient wars, Greg and Walter discuss the evidence found throughout the globe that suggests a destructive war using technology beyond our scope understanding at the time. As Walter points out, his book The Lost Expedition of Sir Richard Francis Burton, is filled with epic sagas involving South American expeditions, breakaway civilizations, and the mysteries surrounding these topics.
Want more Walter Bosley? Check out site here. You can also find his published books here or his fiction work at Lost Continent Library.

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I was showing someone the Due Guard German buildings Bosley brings up at SSPC earlier… This is synchronistic. Looking forward to it!


Awesome, sounds like an interesting show. Downlaoding now. Cheers greg.


Making it to minute 33 is all I have in me for tonight. Long hard working day (rain coming tonight), so I will have to rest now.

For me, the catch word so far is, “counter-rotation.” This is where I have been looking for gravity generation (anti-gravity is a misnomer), and was doing so before I read of it in a short passage in Whitley Strieber’s, “Communion.”

Looking forward to hearing more.

Thanks, Greg.



Great episode. Just yesterday, I watched a 6-episode series on Gaia TV called Deep Space which talked about Nazi involvement in these technologies, as well as the well known Nazi-US (NASA) covert relationships going on post-war.
Anyhow, always refreshing to hear about Dellschau and antigravity related tech! Take care.


This one goes out to you Greg!


This is my first show as a plus member 🙂 wooo!


Yeah dude, way worth it


I’m curious, anybody got the book and know the translation in German he was referencing?


Nationalistische Jagdflugzeug Maschinen Zahlungsamt

Translated as:
The ‘Nationalist Pursuit-Exploration Airship Program Office’


I loved the summary, let me add another group, along with the ones you listed. The German pharmaceutical company, Ford, all of them were Catholic controlled. Just another layer to the shit sandwich


@ 1:14, Could Tunguska (1908) be a launching point and not an impact point?


Well with the reports of the supposed technology used in the Aeros I would say no. They were not using explosive, combustion or jet technology. The amount of energy that was released in order to cause the amount of destruction in the Tungusta event would be equal to many atom bombs… it would take hundreds of our space shuttles put together to produce a launch with that much power. Way to think outside the box though.


Great show! Lots of high octane speculation, but the guest didn’t seem too married to his speculations… Which makes them more believable. Playing with narratives is the way to go.

And I appreciated the comments at the end of the show regarding… The Jewish Question. It seems like for the Internet to remain objective on Jews with out screaming “holocaust denier!” or “kike!” is like trying to balance on a beach ball. But nicely done. I think it makes sense there’s underlying reasons for historical outbreaks of anti-semitism while it’s not the average Jew’s fault. It’s hard for people to be objective about the subject for one because of the holocaust and two because Judaism is a sort of vague undefined term which could mean a race or a religion. In our society we cherish the ability to criticize religions and ideologies, but you can’t criticize a race or you’re racist. So how do we make an objective critical analysis of the Jewish ideology and culture and why that might lend itself (pun) to seeing a disproportionate number of Jews rise to the top of financial hierarchies without being accused of racism? Even those who try to crtique Islam are called racist when Islsm isn’t a race.

I’ve really been baking my noodle lately on the subject of hierarchy and its antithesis: networking or crowd-sourcing.

Hierarchy is the masculine aspect of structure, powerful, aggressive, egotistical. It is symbolized by the pyramid: power flows from many up to one individual. It’s letter is A, shaped like a pyramid, Adam, Alpha-male, first, unity.

Networking or crowd-sourcing structure (like the Internet, alt-media, and some anarchist or tribal groups) is the feminine form of organization. It’s symbol is the inverted pyramid: power flows from one individual to many. It’s letter like the inverted pyramid is V. Eve was named Eve because she would be the mother of all the living: power from one to many. The feminine form of organization is wholistic, passive, receptive, and empowers the individual.

The feminine form is weaker than the masculine hierarchical form which is why the world is dominated by hierarchy and power centers. In barbaric times, men ruled over women harshly. A woman unprotected by a man would soon be captured and abused.

It is the same way with out organizational structures. Some anarchists and libertarians would like to abandon hierarchy because the Internet enables crowd-sourcing and networking to rule. But if we do that at this time in history, chaos will ensue and another barbaric hierarchy will take over.

To enter the new golden age, there has to be a marriage of the hierarchy and the network forms. From this dialectic process a new synthesis emerges which is a stable balance of power offering peace security and growth.

The US constitution attempted to wed hierarchy to crowd-sourcing. The 1st and 2nd amendments are about protecting the ability for the people to network and crowd-source the narrative, the information, and defense. The Federal government was intended to be weak at top with increasing powers at lower levels empowering the individual – a synthesis of pyramid and inverted pyramid – a Merkaba.

The dynamics between the dialectic of the masculine and feminine form of political power structure must have something to tell us as well about the nature of “the higher powers” out there in the great beyond. Some people say we’re here in Kindergarten learning lessons so we can move up to the next level. That implies a hierarchy with the ultimate in perfection at the top (a masculine God). Some people say there is no spiritual hierarchy, there’s just you and whatever you want to make of reality. From the individual all things are created outward. That is the feminine power flow from one to many.

The truth must be that there is a balance between the two. This balance isn’t perfect.. There are some oscillations just as we experience here in human history and thus: there is war in heaven.


In a world full of diabolical groups, “Hermetic Prussian Nationalists” is still one of the most ominous combinations of words I’ve ever heard.


Great show, thank you!


Why should we, by an accident of birth, remain identifying as a something? No freedom in that, eh?


Look to Hyperborea. Is it a break away civilization or the remnants of Atlantean civilization that
moved underground after the deluge? Perhaps once elements of our civilization reach a certain level
they become assimilated into the Atlantean civilization underground.

I loved Bosley’s bringing up Peter Levenda’s writing on Lovecraft, Crowley and the OTO and Sinister Forces should be on everyone’s reading list. The occult connection to science and technology is something completely rejected by the main stream today but seems to have played a huge role in our advancement. If there is “nothing to see here” then why are they conducting staged human sacrifices at CERN? Why was Jack Parsons the founder of JPL out in the desert trying to contact
the entity OZ with Crowley? There is most assuredly something to see here.

red fox

Crowley was never in the desert with Jack Parsons. It was L.Ron Hubbard who was with Parsons on some of the occasions that Parsons was trying to incarnate an avatar of Babalon (not Oz). Parsons was Crowley’s choice as the US representative of the OTO but they split when Parsons went his own way (a far more feminist (sic) approach than Crowleys).
Parsons received what he considers to be the culmination of Liber Al vel Legis (Crowleys Book of the Law) via a “downloaded” communication from the Whore of Babylon. This “missing” chapter being “Liber 49: The Book of Babalon”.


Thanks for clarifying those points AKA Parsons.

jimmy dalrymple

What if flat and round earth are both true. The round being a dodeca icosahedron that consists of many flat planes and when we cross an angle we slip from flat to flat. Considering the blank spots in front of our retinas and how our brain fills in the blanks, we could be programmed to not perceive the angles.


That is Exactly the description given by the Cassiopaens in the transcripts @ 🙂


Couldn’t it also depend on personal dimensionality?


personal dimensionality?

Maybe, I don’t know what that means. Can you give an example?

jimmy dalrymple

Wouldn’t it be interesting if the Nazis were hiding behind the holocaust narrative. Demonized, dissipated and destroyed, no German power left . . . nothing to see here kids, move along.
There are two technical means of manufacturing gold that have come out this year. One, German, in a centrifuge at 200 meters per second, produces gold from water (Kautz-Vella) the other Russian, presented to the Bank of International Settlements in Switzerland, in a sealed crucible at high temperature a bacteria converts base metals to gold (VT)


Early advanced secret technology, extraterrestrials, breakaway civilizations, UFO’s, ancient scripts containing coded high technology, underground civilizations, Atlantis, Walter Bosely speculating and my man Greg Carlwood at the helm with all the right questions I didn’t even know I wanted the answers to… what more could you want!

I have heard Walter give several interviews on his latest book but, as usual, Greg went for a few different angles and asked questions that haven’t been asked before. Best interview of his latest book so far. Great job guys.

So good I’m going to listen to it again while I’m waiting for my autographed book to get to me 🙂


The Earth has a soul.


loved it!

Papa Dave

Yeah baby…fan”fuckin”tastic ep Greg. THC+ still the best $$$ value in podcasting Fortean Esoterica!!! Dig-it


I get ten minutes into the last few shows and it just starts over again the show. Very confusing. I find the area I am maybe good for ten minutes and bam I am listening to a repeat of the show again. I have heard the beginning at least five times. It happens on my phone and my computer


It sounds to me like a polarity or parasite issue- either a disruptive personal charge or hangers on.

Do some clearing and grounding and discharge your energy.

I always “play in new window”.

Last year I ran it through Stitcher so it wouldn’t lose my place when my phone rebooted after I’d set it down.



What was the type of permaculture you mentioned in this episode?

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