The wordsmith of RuneSoup.com – Gordon White, joins THC to talk Gnostic ideas and philosophies, Archons, and the layers of manipulation they’re covered with. Also, being a practicing chaos magician, Gordon provides some insightful analysis for a lot of the deep level parapolitical themes we hear about in the conspiracy world that involve magic, rituals, esoteric symbolism, and contact with entities.
In the Plus show, we talk more about Gordon’s personal experiences with magic, sigil making, and contacting ancestors. It’s fun for the whole family!
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Wow, Gordon actually got my brain spinning. Which doesn’t happen that much anymore. I’ve been looking into this stuff since I was a lad.
I thought the Rothschild backing of Sitchin… (I just noticed, his name is just plain dirty, Sit Chin, really?)… was very interesting! I’ve for a long time enjoyed the ancient alien theory, but long ago I decided I didn’t really care for the intent of the perpetrators of said theory.
To me it’s just a way of taking myths, important myths, and caging them to a materialistic view of the world.
@Zigor That’s very astute. The philosopher Patrick Harpur says that there is no way of talking about myths without retelling them. So ‘explaining’ the Annunaki by calling them ‘aliens’ is merely to retell the story in a different context. Thus ‘Ancient Aliens’ and similar programmes get caught in an infinite loop with diminishing returns.
Oh and it was Rockefeller funding, not Rothschild. 🙂 Sitch was even put up in 30 Rock for a while.
Yeah… I realized my mistake too late… And hadn’t had time to correct my self. 🙂
But I figured, same difference right?
I couldn’t help but misread, retelling myths as retailing them… “The philosopher Patrick Harpur says that there is no way of talking about myths without retelling them. So ‘explaining’ the Annunaki by calling them ‘aliens’ is merely to retell the story in a different context.” I for one am thinking way too many failed marketing ‘experts’ are getting into esoteric and peddling yet another flippin’ BOOK. Also, ok a bit of cerebral entertainment is one thing but agnostic atheist believer or mere scholar, there exists way too many fragments and whole documents to attest to the corporeal existence of one man, popularly called Jesus Christ, non Jewish writings, Roman soldiers complaints about what a pain in the arse the situation has become and more other textual proof than we have for the existence of Shakespeare’s existence, believe it or not but my point is, No researcher Worth his Salt so to speak, denies that that person did exist so our dear entertainer is out on very thin grounds for credibiility making his twee remarks in his opening lines. Yoou cannot actually honestly prove that he did not exist. Much easier to prove – very easy – that he did. Lets give the man His due. A wonderful conspiracy theorist who nailed it, way back when and died for it so I propose an amendment to the ten commandments: we shall not tolerate B.S.
Really??
Damn near impossible to prove, actually. However, as a fellow magician, I see no problem with that. Just because you do not have a body does not mean you do not exist……
Hi Gregg,
One of the best shows yet, for me. Gordon’s views have cleared my mind of a lot of dubious material. I’ll be looking more deeply into his information, now.
The only part I wouldn’t suggest you follow, is the advice on the Seance in a mental hospital 🙂 I know he said it to make a point, but it really isn’t worth the grief 🙂 My Brother and his mates held a Seance in a burnt out Mansion called Copped Hall, in Essex, in the 1950’s. They saw ‘something that glowed’ and fled in terror through a window. One of his friends had a ‘fit’ and was frothing at the mouth and eating dirt….He shortly afterwards moved away from the area, never to be seen again. My Brother was fine, and continued his investigations, but into the UFO question. He never held a seance again 🙂
Anyway, great show! I’ll be listening to this a few more times to absorb the info 🙂
Sounds like an initiation to me. 🙂 You think visiting the ancient greek underworld was a cake walk for all those mystery school initiates?
Spirit events need to be potent enough to permanently alter your worldview. It’s preferable that they don’t come with dirt-eating side effects but that is in no way guaranteed. 🙂
I agree with Gordon on this. In fact, I was just listening to Duncan Trussell on the Joe Rogan Experience and they got into this theme during a conversation about psychedelics, rather than spirit contact, specifically. Duncan equated taking high doses of psychedelics to a rite-of-passage, similar to climbing Mt. Everest.
On the journey up Mt. Everest, there is a place called “Rainbow Valley” which is littered with the frozen bodies of those who couldn’t make it, all scattered about in morbidly bright colored jackets. This could be akin to the guy who never comes back from an acid trip, or is reduced to a shell-of-a-man after a powerful spiritual experience.
It’s a dark thought, but without that pile of bodies, or the circuit fried burn outs, or the mouth foaming dirt eaters – there’s no risk, and by extension, no adventure. I like to think everyone is meant to be an adventurer of some type, but you need to know what challenges are best for you. In this life, I know I’m supposed to stay the fuck off Mt. Everest.
Thanks, Gordon and Gregg, I agree. A bit of dirt eating is a small price for possible enlightenment 🙂 And so is dying, I suppose.
My biggest enlightenment moment was laying in bed with a back injury, where I was forced to lay there, all day, with little food and water (too painful to get up and eat). After a few months of this I’d clocked up 2 or 3 ‘voices from something’ in my head, giving me good advice on avoiding suicide, and a fantastic premonition event, which has encouraged me to carry on with these magical experiments.
Someone recently asked me to recommend books on Magic, as they wanted to get into it. I sent them a list, with the warning that they might go mad if they tried to do evocation or invocation before they’d strengthened their mind with other practices. Perhaps I shouldn’t be so worried 🙂
And I hope you get into magic, Gregg 🙂 Jeff.
The Hero’s Journey!
Excellent show. one of the clearest and most concise explanations of the esoteric arts and magik. Joined a few more dots, thanks Gregg and Gordon…
NB: The link to RuneSoup above is mis-formed… but thanks all the same…
Fixed, sorry about that!
You’re very welcome. Fun chat.
I think there ~could~ be a brotherhood of saturn, that is, a group of evil supervillians that derive power from evil rituals, however, to me what seems more likely is that it’s really a group of people with no substantive affiliation that are essentially the ultimate cynics, or nihilists, and believe that the material world is all there is. They then exploit the simple and profane for personal gain.
That story about “The Nine” is really interesting and is the first time I’ve heard it. One topic I’ve been researching lately is Theosophy. If you dive into that topic, even just in the Wikipedia, you’ll find the most interesting connections and links between people in the occult world and members of famous families, or politics in the 19th century. Also, it seems like that blueblood interest in the occult and esoteric goes all the way back in the US to the very beginning. I think there’s a tendency of the conspiracy community to look askance at this tendency, however, we’re all doing the exact same thing (minus the millions to really indulge in it)!
There’s a really interesting book (the preface is available on Google Books) by a dude named C.G. Harrison “The Transcendental Universe” who posits that in reaction to the materialistic tendency of the age of reason, there was an attempt to generate a magical worldview. He points specifically to the spiritualist movement of 1849 as an invention of a group of conspirators.
What’s also interesting is that people like H.P. Lovecraft was connected to that movement.
I think a lot of the fiction, movies, and TV of our day is actually a sort of initiation into this magical worldview.
Hey Kevin,
Here’s more about The Nine:
http://runesoup.com/2012/05/the-seance-that-changed-america/
I also recommend Peter Levenda’s Sinister Forces. As for elite belief systems:
http://runesoup.com/2013/12/billionaires-and-astrology-elite-belief-systems/
And regarding HPL, Theosophy and the early twentieth century elite belief systems, I too suspect there is quite a bit more to this story that requires surfacing. Here’s Chris Knowles on the subject:
http://secretsun.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/lovecrafts-secret-source-for-chthulu_9.html
Gordon,
Dang man, if the Carlwood ever had a Google hangout questionnaire type show with the plus members I’d hope you would be the guest.
PS: I find the early twentieth century mysticism fascinating.
The nine story is really intriguing. I guess it fits with the general trope of “hidden masters”. I actually just saw another reference to another “nine” masters this morning while reading Gary Lachman’s book on Blavatsky. If I had it handy I’d transcribe the passage here.
One of the things that’s intriguing to me about the material you wrote of in the 9 article is that it seems to be the basis for the series “Stargate SG-1”.
I’ve been trying to put the 19th century occult “revival” in a broader historical context. It’s really interesting to ponder what might have been going on. The Russian connections are intriguing, especially from the Great Game perspective. That was the era when the US was really just taking the first steps on the road to being a superpower/empire.
My current hypothesis is, well, what if you were an actual good guy that wanted to see humanity bettered, and you knew the tendency of the empire builders to use religion as a tool of control–maybe you’d offer up a poisoned pill religion for them to foist on the public, that is a religion that’s a poisoned pill for imperial control, a religion that’s really individualistic and anarchical at its core. Overtly, it’s cloaked in hocus pocus, mystery, robes and chants and all the usual relgion bullshit, but the real message is about an individual’s soul.
There does exist some heavy duty ritual makers called the Ninth Circle. They apparently do such rituals to enhance their own powers as to ‘lift the soul’ which I read, involves prolonged torture of an infant with borderline in and out of death til the final expirey. At that point they use what ever ‘magik’ powers that are hovering around to bring enhancement, etc. Crowley mentions similar rituals and that a pure young boy is perferred over a mere animal, for the best ‘hit’ if you are into that sort of thing.
Gregg and Gordon;
Standing. Ovation. Take a bow gents, Gregg that was your best show! Gordon, you sir are a steely eyed missile man. I’m going to make my first sigil, and give those pesky archons a bitch slap!
Great show Greg, as a fellow listener I suddenly feel inadequate compaired to Gordon….XD.lol
Excellent show, listened to it twice in fact. What Gordon said about ancestry altars really resonated with me, it makes a lot of sense on several levels. I’ve lightly dabbled with ancestral communication prior but this may very well inspire me to consider a new approach with it. Many thanks for both of you guys, great stuff!
Best show of this kind so far Greg. I am getting to work on my sigils.
Great episode. Listened to it twice now and Runesoup is a fascinating read, despite the content layout being a touch disconbobulated.