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Join The Higherside Chats this week as Greg Carlwood hosts, Shamangineer.

Working for over a decade in a variety of industries from robotics, manufacturing equipment, chemical systems and alternative energy, he knows first hand that we are being held back in more ways than one. The shadowy elite have dedicated many pages in their playbook to suppressing information, technology, and scientific advancements that could improve the lives of people and offer a better understanding of our reality. To help us piece the puzzle back together independent researcher, Shamangineer, is ready to come out of the shadows and onto the main stage in his first real interview.

Those of us who are paying attention have recognized the scientific quarantine and seen many indications of the big suppression along the way including, but not limited to the work of Nikola Tesla, denial ofelectrogravitic crafts, lost legends of alchemy, the lies of NASA, whispers of a breakaway civilization, and the free energy cancer cure technologies we’ve heard exist but have been thoroughly kibosh-ed  “for our own good”.
2:25 We know there’s hidden truths and that mainstream science is incomplete, but many moons ago in their model of the universe, bright minds used to include, ether. Mainstream science has buried these references, most likely due to the implications acknowledging it would have on the universally accepted theory of relativity. Instead, the Dynamic Ether Theory has been replaced with a model of space that is an empty void of nothing. Listen as they discuss in broad-strokes the concept of ether as a medium of light composing matter and giving rise to gravity, the undifferentiated Aether, which acts as an informational ether where thoughts exist and lastly, their interconnected relationship that helps us account for the transition of matter, to energy, to information
5:30 Maxwell’s Demon:  With recent studies illustrating the ability to bypass Maxwell’s Demon, the promise of free energy technology shines like a light at the end of a tunnel.
7:50 With everything in our current scientific structure being material and observable, Shamangineer helps guide us through the scientific evidence for the Ether Model and the implications of this in our understanding of reality. Using the words of Tesla and Einstein we can start to better understand the role of ether, and it’s necessity in relativity.
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality.”- Tesla
“The special theory of relativity does not compel us to deny ether. We may assume the existence of an ether; only we must give up ascribing a definite state of motion to it, i.e. we must by abstraction take from it the last mechanical characteristic which Lorentz had still left it.”- Einstein
“It would be a great advance if we could succeed in comprehending the gravitational field and the electromagnetic field together as one unified conformation. Then for the first time the epoch of theoretical physics founded by Faraday and Maxwell would reach a satisfactory conclusion. The contrast between ether and matter would fade away.”- Einstein

Greg Carlwood and Shamangineer dive deeper into the ether model by examining ether drift. Ether is similar to space-time, in fact the concept of space-time is based on an ether that has curvature but no motion. Ether is the medium of light transmission. The idea of space-time itself is incorrect. As Tesla stated when discussing special relativity: ’I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties.’ Space in Tesla’s conception is essentially a place for things to exist. Time dilation is not a result of spatial contortions as much as the fact that motion of matter (itself composed of etheric motion) has an effect on the surrounding ether. Hence the term ether drift.

11:00 Einstein’s theory of relativity was conceived based primarily on the Michaelson-Morely experiment which disproved the luminiferous ether. The luminiferous ether was the medium of light modeled as a solid, in this theory light would be transmitted as waves and would be transmitted similar to sound through rock. While the Michaelson-Morely experiment disproved this solid modeling of ether it did not as commonly stated prove that ether did not exist. This experiment did show a variance in the speed of light dependent on direction despite all contentions to the contrary, although it was not statistically significant. One thing that should be mentioned about the experiment is that the entire experiment was barely able to have any statistical significance with only 36 data-points.
20:00 A slight variance that was noticed was followed up on by Dayton Miller who performed subsequent experiments on the top of Mt. Wilson with an open-framed version of the apparatus in a wooden building. Dr. Miller’s experiments showed that a dynamic (fluid) ether exists which has been repeatedly demonstrated by different types of measurements (see below). The interpretation of the greater scientific community is that there was no motion observed since the variation noted at the time was dismissed as being due to heating of the apparatus by day/night cycles (although there was in fact no demonstrated time correspondence to those cycles). Subsequent measurements of various types have shown that an ether drift does exist and is on the order of the drift measured on Mt. WIlson by Dr. Miller. Dr. Miller’s name should one day eclipse that of Einstein as his hundreds of thousands of datapoints (laboriously recorded) may yet be recognized as the foundation of the true physics that will one day allow mankind to live without fear of want.
” If Dr. Miller’s results should be confirmed, then the special relativity theory, and with the general theory in its present form, falls. Experiment is the supreme judge. Only the equivalence of inertia and weight remain, which would lead to an essentially different theory. ” – Einstein
25:00 Wal Thornhill uses the pinch effect, which is a counter-rotational plasma vortices coming together and creating gravitational waves, to bring credibility to the argument of the hollow earth, with and inner sun.
38:00 Greg and Shamangineer reconcile discuss Wilhelm Reich’s contributions to the field and how they fit into the current puzzle. Applying the principles Reich’s Dynamic Orgone, we can start to better understand the formation of the planets, sun, and the possibility of alternative life.
42:00 Be ready to have your mind blown as Greg inquires about the details of Ormus. Shrouded in mystery, the documentary All The Gold You Cant Eat explains Ormus in a very approachable manner and presents substantial evidence regarding the existence of this atomic rearranging of the platinum group elements. References to Ormus can be found throughout history including Egyptian culture and biblical times. The white Ormus or “minor arcana” is used for consumption and commercially available. Whereas, the red Ormus, or “major arcana” which is commonly referred to as The Philosopher’s Stone is at the heart of ancient alchemy and possesses incredible power to help for life extension, enlightenment, magical applications, super conductivity transmutation, teleportation and levitation.
101:00 With indications of alchemists giving rise to a breakaway civilization with advanced technologies, and it’s origins rooted in the Sonora Aero Club, Shamangineer introduces us to the works of authorsWalter Bosley, his book ‘Origins of the Breakaway Civilization’ and Peter Navarro’s ‘The Secrets of Dellschau’. This saga takes place in Southern California where Charles Dellschau funded by the Germans, formed the Sonora Aero Club, where they worked toward the goal of developing flying spacecrafts using a form of anti-gravity gas.
118:00 Shamangineer continues to walk us through Bosley’s research. It is Bosley’s contention that Abraham Lincoln was presented with some of these advanced technologies on three separate occasions. While there is no mention of the technology following this, it is widely believed it simply went into secret government programs for further development.
 
127:00 While there are many theories surrounding atomic structures, Carl F. Krafft theorized that atoms were made of vortices of ether. He contended that atoms were made of a hydrodynamic (liquid state, capable of motion, yet incompressible). This concept was an ether in a nested series of donut vortex structures (like a smoke ring) which created electrons, protons, neutrons, ect. He stated that it had to be hydrodynamic because there was no evidence of a longitudinal etheric structure (like a thread or long tornado), although there is evidence this is precisely what Tesla and other late 19th century and early 20th century avante guard scientists (and a few later radicals like Eric Dollard) were working on. Shamangineer contends that this structure does in fact exist, and forms the foundation of so called chi, subtle energy, orgone, od, scalar waves, ect. Although this longitudinal etheric structure exists and can be created by the correctly potentialized, structured, and pulsed fields it may not invalidate the thoughts of Krafft.
If similar to water ether may exist in different states depending on the surrounding conditions it is subjected to, then the ether may have different ”domains” where depending on conditions the ether will behave in different ways. At certain frequency and spin domains it may behave as a gas, a hydrodynamic liquid, an amorphous solid, or a solid. Kraffts model would still be tenable if in the frequency domain of stable atomic structures correlates to hydrodynamic ether conditions. In a 2012 paper from Nature that while nearly incomprehensible to the layman is essentially talking about atomic structures being composed of ”knotted” longitudinal (tornado-like) field structures being pulsed along their length (In the paper below a soliton = an impulse wave), and shows configurations similar to atomic shell structures, and referenced Lord Kelvin’s concept of a vortex atomic structure.
140:00 An anomaly defying all odds, Stephen Hawking has suspiciously outlasted even the most optimistic life expectancy begging the question is that even him?
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45 responses to “Shamangineer | Ether Theory, Ancient Alchemy, & Ormus”

  1. This interview sounds like it will be amazing! And its a new person giving his first real interview! I’m very excited. Waiting for it to finish downloading…… done! ::PLAY!::

     
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      • I loved listening to this. I learned vital clues that are bringing together stings from the hoary past and embroidering them dainty-like with many other subjects that I remember but put on hold, having a need for more info. This bout fi shied my picture! But alas, because I will never be satisfied with only partial Truth, I’ll keep looking and looking and looking. Love it! And you too, ya little cutie!

         
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  2. Sorry Gregg, for me, this was a hard listen and I sensed, could be incorrect, that you weren’t as enthusiastic in this interview. The Stephen Hawking response wasn’t at all convincing. Perhaps NASA has the technology to defer ALS but he doesn’t explain how that changes facial features, teeth etc. Miles Mathis would be a great show.

     
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    • I actually love this show.

      He largely agrees about Hawking that something is up. He just hadn’t heard the Miles Mathis agreement yet. A week ago, I hadn’t either. Can’t blame him for that.

       
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      • I also independently had the thought that Stephen Hawking could be the perfect controllable establishment science mouthpiece. I think it was after he made a statement about aliens and then I watched something on YouTube by Anonymous, and this was right around the time that movie about him came out… It just suddenly came to me that he might not actually be saying all the things that are attributed to him. After that I started hearing other people say the same thing. Who knows?

         
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      • I agree, Greg. Great episode!

        My personal perspective is that finding the truth is like solving a puzzle where the pieces are scattered. Different people, books and shows can each have a piece (or several) to add, but they can also have pieces that don’t belong. It’s my job to sort through the pieces and connect the right ones (not for everyone, of course, but simply making my mind up). In my opinion, looking for one source that holds the whole truth is a sure-fire way of not completing the puzzle. And I don’t mind guests mentioning things they’re not experts on, because if it’s interesting I’ll look into it after the show. I rated this show 5/5 and I hope Shamangineer makes another appearance on THC!

         
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      • Sup Greg,
        I haven’t listened to the show yet, but I’ll come back once I do.
        Dude, I’m with this guy.. Miles Mathis is mad fucking intriguing. If he’s right about 10% of what he writes, history has been even more co-opted & controlled than any of us thought. It appears Dave McGowan (a legend.. RIP Dave) was just scratching the surface of Laurel Canyon & the Hollywood Intelligence establishment.
        Peace brother

         
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  3. 14 minutes in, no mind blowing going on. Why does every guest recently have to have no knowledge about NASA fraud and the lack of proof for Gravity?

    Greg, please go back to not letting listeners come on the show.

     
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  4. I really like the way you provide a program for the interview on your plus page. Classy.
    This guy’s research is something I had not ran into in my life, but most of it resonated with me instantly.
    Thanks for bring a great interviewer. You bring out the best of your guest. Much appreciated over here.
    You and your crew put out quality stuff. Bravo.

     
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  5. I thought the interview went well. If you are at all interested in a true world changing science basis, conspiracy of hidden wisdom/technology, Tesla, UFO technology, breakaway civilizations formed from advanced suppressed science and technology or you want a better glimpse at the true nature of the workings of our reality then you should have found atleast several things within this interview interesting.

    The ideas and researched topics within this interview parallels my own path and conclusions thus far. These things interweave in all subjects and can be found depicted in all cultures’ texts, art and oral traditions handed down through time. Its these concepts and realizations that should be explored and examined with due diligence within our truth seeking community… for its these wondrous tidbits of truthful information thar can literally unlock the wonders of this reality, how we interact with it, how we can alter it and could very well be the cornerstone to understanding many, if not all, “paranormal” events.

    I thought this interview was informative on a very important topic that has far reaching points of contact in all areas we are interested in as a truth seeking community and I, personally, would very much appreciate more in depth interviews of simular material.

    Good job Greg and Shamagineer.

     
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  6. Our reality has been so destroyed and compartmentalized that I think this fits one of those big gaps. Im a flat earther myself, but you have a point Greg, that if this does not fit into a paradime then people just unplug and quit listening. Our reality is closer to a 4 year olds collection of Legos. Every piece has been scattered and hidden and its up to us to put it all back together. I’d be just as happy if he said it was flat as a ball, because his Info never pointed or made a claim. He didn’t go into speculation. After all, flat earth people, we rely on the ether not the vacuume anyways. As a flat earther it is accepted with the model, the ether. I think the electric universe fits in perfectly as well. My understanding of reality is not the same I had yesterday, and I’m sure it will change tomorrow unless I shut my brain off, so let’s not be critical to the point of ignorance people.

     
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  7. Kick ass show Greg! Don’t listen to the haters. Best info Ive ever gotten regarding Ether, and was finally able to conceptualize a inner earth sun via plasma physics. I thought it all made alot of sense. Hope you bring this guy back soon.

     
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    • Yeah true, this is the most in depth explanation I have heard for a handful of topics that’s just not available. I love those thoughts that shake my old paradim.

       
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      • I 2nd (or 3rd) all this. Been fascinated by the whole question of ether and how/why the theory of relativity was formulated since first running into it last year. This is definitely the most cogent explanation I’ve heard from the alternative side. Thanks Shamangineer!

         
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  8. I am glad you had the talk with Shamangineer Creg. It was an excellent show. By the way regarding not knowing if what you wear protects you energetically. I dowse, muscle test and use many modalities to transform the energy and information of untruth in the body to truth – in a nut shell. When I first got into an energy healing, I tested the field when using an external help to strengthen the field around the body. Usually the field around the body measures about 50 cm. I have a friend who without any help has a field that stops 80 cm away from the body. Back some 5 years ago I tested this. I reached 80 when I put an energy pendant on that was made by company called Amega. I no longer wear it but it sits by my computer at all times. When I showed it to my son, he went and got all his Buddhist trinkets like the flags, beads and other stuff that is put on the wrist or hung around the body. His story was the same. Without it his field was only about 50 cm, with it on it became 80 cm wide. Your intentions will also give energy to whatever you wear for whatever reason. Wearing gold has also beneficial properties. Some of it is a matter of intention and some of it works whether you believe it or not. Bottom line the inner work is as important as any energy helpers. Protecting energetically your larger environment is another matter. That is where you will employ some of the more or less powerful tools.

     
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  9. Errata from the podcast (what I caught the first time round listening to it):

    I kept calling the ether the spatial fluid, while this is the closest thing it would approximate to in relativistic nomenclature this would not be the correct term. The more correct term would simply be the electromagnetic fluid or “electric fluid” as Faraday called it. With regard to space, I defer to Tesla:
    As Tesla stated when discussing special relativity: ’I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties.’ Space in Tesla’s conception is essentially a place for things to exist.

    DMT is not a rainbow-colored crystal, it is whitish or yellowish, it does however give off rainbow-colored sparks when struck with a hammer to break it up. I think I saw that in DMT: The Spirit Molecule or a documentary about that film.
    Related material:
    https://www.scribd.com/document/37423867/Piezoelectricity-in-the-human-pineal-gland

    It was Sir William Crookes periodic table, not Lord Kelvin’s atomic model that is like a figure-8 snake, I mis-spoke in the interview.
    http://2012books.lardbucket.org/books/principles-of-general-chemistry-v1.0m/section_11/2d64521f225ded2dd358b8036d0a3248.jpg

    The amount of gold in David Hudson’s soil was 2400 Oz./TON not 480 Oz./TON as stated.

    Supplements to the show:

    Lord Kelvin’s Aethereal Knots:
    http://butlerscholarlyjournal.com/2015/04/24/kelvins-aethereal-knots-the-origins-of-the-periodic-table-and-knot-theory/

    See below regarding the vortex model of the atom / vortex periodic tables:
    http://www.geocities.ws/devashaon/index4_files/image004.png

    Here is a good overview of the history of A/Ether theory:
    http://www.cellularuniverse.org/AA3AetherHistory-Ranzan.pdf

    A Wired article on The Antigravity Underground:
    http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/11.08/pwr_antigravity.html

    A NASA paper on Asymmetrical Capacitors for Propulsion:
    http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20040171929.pdf

    2003 US Army report on Force on an Asymmetrical Capacitor.
    http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0211/0211001.pdf

    1999 French study using 12 hz pulsed magnetic fields: Read the two-page preview of the paper, it shows that this three-person study had excellent results with recovering from ALS. 3 page study has 2-page preview.
    http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-1-4615-4867-6_213

    This NASA study performed in 2003 on nerve tissue samples using 10 Hz pulsed magnetic fields demonstrated generation of new nerve tissue as well as positive genetic changes in the cells after being exposed to this field:
    http://ston.jsc.nasa.gov/collections/trs/_techrep/TP-2003-212054.pdf

    A short dissertation on electrogravitics:

    Behold the EM Drive which has been dubbed by most of the science press as the ”the impossibilty drive”:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3177449/Nasa-s-impossible-fuel-free-thrusters-work-German-scientists-confirm-viability-super-fast-space-travel-slash-journey-moon-4-HOURS.html

    A Romanian dude running an EM Drive he made by soldering copper plate with a magnetron from a household microwave:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbf7735o3hQ

    Frankly the EM Drive is the electrogravitic equivalent of sitting in an office chair and flapping your arms faster in one direction than the other to scoot yourself along. Only in the EM Drive your arms are microwaves and the difference in friction is due to the density of space rather than the wheels of the chair. You can scoot off an office chair powered by a impulse-arm drive or use a microwave-impulse drive for your spaceship, but there are much easier and more efficient methods to get around. The only thing this has going for it is news coverage.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjYtsLnTrx0 <-Short test of an asymmetrical capacitor being pulsed with ~16KV, rocking back and forth in mid-air

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGN65lse5yE <-Similar test with constant voltage in a vacuum, the linear laser line shows the displacement of the capacitor. Proof positive of electropulsive action.

    The main point of opposition to the idea of electropulsive motion A.K.A. electrogravitics is the idea that it violates conservation of momentum / inertia. The general premise of this concept is that you cannot push or lift against oneself for propulsion. Baron Munchausen (below) is demonstrating a distinct lack of understanding of conservation of momentum by lifting himself and his horse by his own hair.
    http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/theword/munchausen.jpg

    The reason that electrogravitics are thought to violate conservation of momentum is because this concept is most often viewed from the standpoint of the following concepts:

    1. Space is empty, just look at the Wikipedia page about the Michaelson-Morely experiment and Relativity Theory. There is no ether of space to act upon (a common misconception).

    2. Inertia is the resistance of a body to motion and cannot be induced, never-mind the cause.

    3. Electromagnetic forces and gravity have no relationship whatsoever.

    The Standard Model cannot derive the gravitational constant which is the ratio of electrostatic to gravitational attraction between the protons and electrons in an atom. Without knowing how several basic forces like momentum itself originate one cannot claim to have a complete theory. An incomplete theory means there will be things that cannot be accounted for by the theory. These are called anomalies.

    Einstein believed there was a relationship between electromagnetism and gravity, that’s the bulk of what he tried for decades to unify in his unified-field theory and failed. I believe he failed because he essentially fixed space while allowing for curvature, which has been represented by a set of mathematical formulas which match observations to a degree, but lacked motion of an electromagnetic ether (although he did state that relativity was regarding a gravitational ether).

    Note also that Michaelson (of the Michaelson-Morely Experiment that disproved the luminiferous ether) believed in ether-based physics until the day he died. To understand the basic differences in the understandings of ether I will paint in broad strokes:

    A basic definition: Ether is the medium of light (electromagnetism), it is what the waves transverse through just as ocean waves are carried through water and sound is carried through air.

    Luminiferous Ether:

    Think of a cosmic block of granite as representing space, a rigid transducer of electromagnetic waves While the motion of a rigid ether was disproved by the Michaelson-Morely experiment it did not disprove a motion in a dynamic ether which these experimenters recognized at the time. This interpretation was not held by Einstein who considered it a fundamental experiment under-girding relativity which lacks etheric motion.

    Relativistic Ether:

    The fabric of space-time that current scientific thinking espouses (the "fabric" would be more of a spatial gelatin when you really think about it) with the curvature of the medium dictated by gravity because of Einstein's interpretation of the Michaelson-Morely experiment that there is no etheric drift and therefore no motion of the ether. This is where the concept of gravitational lensing comes from.

    Dynamic Ether:

    The concept of the dynamic ether is that space can flow and is the medium electromagnetic and gravitational tranmission. Based on the range of frequency conduction for electric signals the ether is a fluid like a plasma, or a gas, but can still act like a liquid or solid at if the time for the induced displacement is short enough. Space and time are still interacting with the ether. Lensing would be accounted for by the etheric drift inherent to rotating massive objects.

    Dayton Miller followed up on the recommendations made by Michaelson and Morely in their paper for a measurement at altitude, in a less substantial structure than a basement, and with more than 36 datapoints. Dayton Miller’s Mt. Wilson experiments with hundreds of thousands of data-points laid the foundation for the physics which will be eventually adopted based on a dynamic ether (compressible) which acts as the “electric fluid” going back to Faraday’s experiments.

    "My opinion about Miller's experiments is the following. … Should the positive result be confirmed, then the special theory of relativity and with it the general theory of relativity, in its current form, would be invalid. Experimentum summus judex. Only the equivalence of inertia and gravitation would remain, however, they would have to lead to a significantly different theory."
    — Albert Einstein, in a letter to Edwin E. Slosson, 8 July 1925 (from copy in Hebrew University Archive, Jerusalem.)

    Despite arguments to the contrary, I believe there is ample evidence from subsequent measurements that support Dayton Miller's experiments as seen below:

    http://www.helical-structures.org/new_evidences/modern-ether-drift-exp/ether-drift-exp.pdf

    Why is motion of the ether so important? Because if the ether can move it will take things with it. In a complete Dynamic Ether theory atoms themselves are comprised of miniature etheric vortices imparting spin, frequency, ect. comprising the full array of phenomena seen at the subatomic level. Nikola Tesla seems to be one of the first to conceptualize using such forces for flight among other uses and is reported to have developed a dynamic theory of gravity which has yet to see the light of day the details of which was a closely guarded secret of Tesla's.

    The below is paraphrased from this link: http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.com/2012/04/teslas-dynamic-theory-of-gravity.html

    "The Faraday effect — the rotation of the plane of polarization of radiation in a dielectric medium (such as the atmosphere, space, and certain solid materials) in a magnetic field — stated that the angle of rotation of radiation is proportional to the magnetic field strength and the length of the path in the medium in the field. These early experimenters knew there was a connection between the rotatory motion and momentum, and sought to find it.
    The rotatory (versus the linear) character of magnetic phenomena was strengthened by Thomson’s experimentally verified conclusions on the magnetic rotation of light. This rotatory character not only influenced Tesla’s discovery of the rotating magnetic field, but is also fundamental to inertia and momentum, as I will later explain, since movement of a charged body constitutes a current which creates a magnetic field which creates the rotatory motion which “bores” through the ether like a drill to create momentum.

    Thomson’s system was later investigated by C.A. Bjerknes between 1877 and 1910. Bjerknes showed that when two spheres immersed in an incompressible fluid were pulsated, they exerted a mutual attraction which obeyed Newton’s inverse square law if the pulsations were in phase, while if the phases differed by a half wave, the spheres repelled. At one quarter wave difference, there was no action. Where pulses were non-instantaneous at distances greater than a quarter wavelength, attractions and repulsions were reversed (Repertorium d. Mathematik I [Leipzig, 1877], p. 268; Proc. Camb. Phil. Soc. iii [1879], p. 276; iv [1880], p. 29).

    The publishing of these researches and experiments in the physical journals of Europe were available to Nikola Tesla, during his student days at the Polytechnic Institute in Graz, Austria, and at the University of Prague, in Czechoslovakia. Tesla could read and understand all these pertinent journals in their original languages."

    A quote from "Tesla's New Monarch of Machines", New York Herald Tribune Oct.15 1911:

    “When I found that I had been anticipated as to the flying machine, by men working in a different field, I began to study the problem from other angles, to regard it as a mechanical rather than an electrical problem. I felt certain there must be some means of obtaining power that was better than any now in use. And by vigorous use of my gray matter for a number of years, I grasped the possibilities of the principle of the viscosity and adhesion of fluids and conceived the mechanism of my engine. Now that I have it, my next step will be the perfect flying machine."

    "An aeroplane driven by your engine?" I asked.

    "Not at all," said Dr. Tesla. "The aeroplane is fatally defective. It is merely a toy — a sporting play-thing. It can never become commercially practical. It has fatal defects. One is the fact that when it encounters a downward current of air it is helpless. The "hole in the air" of which aviators speak is simply a downward current, and unless the aeroplane is high enough above the earth to move laterally it can do nothing but fall."

    "There is no way of detecting these downward currents, no way of avoiding them, and therefore the aeroplane must always be subject to chance and its operator to the risk of fatal accident. Sportsmen will always take these chances, but as a business proposition the risk is too great."

    "The flying machine of the future—my flying machine—will be heavier than air, but it will not be an aeroplane. It will have no wings. It will be substantial, solid, stable. You cannot have a stable airplane. The gyroscope can never be successfully applied to the airplane, for it would give a stability that would result in the machine being torn to pieces by the wind, just as the unprotected aeroplane on the ground is torn to pieces by a high wind."

    "My flying machine will have neither wings nor propellers. You might see it on the ground and you would never guess that it was a flying machine. Yet it will be able to move at will through the air in any direction with perfect safety, higher speeds than have yet been reached, regardless of weather and oblivious of “holes in the air? or downward currents. It will ascend in such currents if desired. It can remain absolutely stationary in the air, even in a wind, for great length of time. Its lifting power will not depend upon any such delicate devices as the bird has to employ, but upon positive mechanical action."

    “You will get stability through gyroscopes?" I asked.

    “Through gyroscopic action of my engine, assisted by some devices I am not yet prepared to talk about", he replied.

    To a Westinghouse manager, Tesla wrote 'You should not be at all surprised, if some day you see me fly from New York to Colorado Springs in a contrivance which will resemble a gas stove and weigh as much. … and could, if necessary enter and depart through a window.' (7-7-1912) ( it will be a small box, not a huge "cigar" ) pg. 198 Tesla: Man Out of Time by Margaret Cheney

    Professor Francis E. Nipher subsequently demonstrated electrogravitic action in 1916.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=3rI5AQAAMAAJ&pg=RA11-PA18&lpg=RA11-PA18&dq=Francis+E.+Nipher+electricity+gravity&source=bl&ots=Gc3NnQyQjX&sig=HZ_1g4p6dzbpwwUtxXCBaccY5Po&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDkQ6AEwBGoVChMIj9eczeaBxwIVSn-SCh0z2AXN#v=onepage&q=Francis%20E.%20Nipher%20electricity%20gravity&f=false

    Reproduced from the above Literary Digest dated December 22, 1917:

    “Experiments recently reported by Prof. Francis E. Nipher of Washington University, St. Louis, indicate that gravity depends to some extent upon electrical charge and that in certain cases it’s sign may even be altered sot that it becomes negative and the bodies concerned repel each other instead of attracting. It would seem to follow that if Professor Nipher’s experiments could be carried out on a sufficiently huge scale the weight of objects on or near the earth’s surface might be increased, lessened, or abolished, and that they might even be caused to fly off into space. . .”

    “gravitational attraction between masses of matter depends on their electrical potential due to charges upon them”

    Prof. Nipher stated in his paper printed in The Transactions of The St. Louis Academy of Science: “Every working-day of the following college year has been devoted to testing the validity of the above statement. No results in conflict with it have been obtained. Not only has gravitational attraction been diminished by electrification of the attracting bodies when direct electrical action has been wholly cut off by a metal shield, but it has been made negative. It has been converted into repulsion. This result has been obtained many times throughout the year. On one occasion during the latter part of the year this repulsion was made somewhat more than twice as great as normal attraction.”

    The Foo Fighters seen by the Allies at the end of WWII were most likely unarmed prototype electrogravitic craft developed by Germany. Understand that while the Schauberger devices relied on atmospheric flow it creates a kind of localized plasma which is what truly propels the device.

    Thomas Townsend Brown's work on electrogravitics followed in the 50's and 60's, which went black after a few years (gobbled and classified by the military) is shown below:
    http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/Thomas_Townsend_Brown.jpg

    The way that TT Brown described the action of the craft is essentially that it creates it’s own etheric pocket in what might be called an inertia-less drive. Now that actually does violate conservation of momentum, oops. Yet this agrees with Viktor Grebbenikov’s experience on his flying platform.

    Finally there is this, Heaviside who was the man who took Maxwell’s Quaternion notation for calculation of electric and magnetic fields which included scalar equations and adjusted it for simpler calculation by engineers and in conformance with General Relativity had a theory of electrogravitics himself. Heaviside developed an Electromagnetic Analogy to fit with relativity, where he tried to extend the Newtonian potential theory of gravitation to incorporate dynamic effects. Heaviside introduced a duality to the gravitational field.

    For weak gravitational fields Heaviside used a linearized, flat space-time (quite literally a fabric of space rather than a gelatinous space-time), approximation to general relativity, although there are some unexplained scale factor differences. Heaviside’s method shows that the Lense-Thirring precession is related to the Coriolis force, and is directly analogous to Larmor precession in electromagnetic theory.
    http://www.univer.omsk.su/omsk/Sci/Heaviside/gravitation.htm

     
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  10. I’m looking forward to listening to this one. I’ve only skimmed the transcript, but I instantly identified with what all this is about, because it ties in exactly with my own research. I have been exploring the possibility that ancient civilisations had an understanding of a dynamic aether that enabled them to develop psycho-active technologies that we’ve been excluded from knowing about (e.g. the Sanskrit word Akasha = aether, but there are many other examples in ancient texts and indigenous traditions from around the world). In my limited understanding of all of this, it hinges on the rotational nature of the aether, as demonstrated by Sagnac’s repetition of the Michaelson Morley experiment. I shall shut up now, listen to the podcast and read the transcript carefully. At least I know I’m not completely crazy in what I’ve been thinking about.

     
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  11. I thought it was an excellent show. So many subjects to delve into. I remember looking into “monatomic gold” before and I believe I heard it called “manna” before…
    Anyway time to re-listen to the show.
    Thanks Greg and Shamngineer for the great show.

     
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  12. I love the fact that you gave a listener a platform on you show Greg. Thumbs up from me.
    I found the subjects covered fascinating, particularly the ormus monatomicle gold which I have never come across before.
    Shamengineer gave a knowledge packed interview and I enjoyed listening very much!

     
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  13. Could someone please explain to me how exactly the theory of relativity disproves ether? How did this become the general consensus? Does it only disprove the luminiferous ether vs relative ether? How does there exist “space-time” in modern science without noticing the parallels?

    Great episode! I’m left with a million more questions though, and I wish there was some way to get a hold of this Shamangineer because I would love to pick his brain.

     
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  14. You got him. Pick away.

    So the Michaelson-Morely experiment disproved a purely solid Ether (Luminiferous Ether) but did not disprove an Ether where other Etheric domains are what characterize visible light’s speed and motion (interference-band experiments used visible light). The relativistic ether has curvature but no motion based on the idea that there was no motion of the medium of light detectable in that experiment (but there was motion – and that motion is in agreement with a dynamic ether model). What I am discussing is the history of science with the correction to the Michaelson-Morely experiment opening up a completely different foundation for a more complete science. The Ether is theoretically known about by conventional scientists (if taught) but they typically don’t know about it because most scientist aren’t inclined to think there might be any diamonds in the rough hiding in academia’s garbage dump. Besides rooting in the garbage of academia is a good way to catch something like homelessness if you are an academic scientist.

     
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  15. I really enjoyed this one. I knew about ether s long time ago and have always been so surprised when scientists leave it out. It’s real nice to see it back.
    My fav pArt of this show was towards the end where y’all just flagged quickly but wonderfully on a diverse managery of subjects. After listening I watched the ALL THE GOLD YOU CAN EAT YouTube teaser. I then took the subject a little forward on YouTube. I believe I learned enough about white god to see how it fills in so very very very many holes in my Truth Quest. I get so fucking pissed off when I know the gold is gone that were supposed to have. Yeah. WHERE DID ALL OUR GOLD GO you slimey bastards.

     
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  16. Really great show.
    Plenty to be going on with here.

    Anyone who was into it should also check Mike Emery,( on a platform like say, Gnostic Warrior Radio).

    Keep the hits coming! 🙂

     
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  17. I’m a little late to the party but this show was awesome, worthy of the title Higher Side Chats. I really liked the
    segment on the Sonora Aero Club as I had heard about the great airship mystery of the 1900’s. As for
    Stephen Hawking being switched I think this has happened before with Faux McCartney with an Italian
    forensic team making a really good case that Paul had a replacement. Thanks Greg! The last crop of shows have been fantastic….

     
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  18. Just came to say that this show was ok. Not great, but definitely not bad. I like how other shows I listen to bring their listeners on and chat with them, it`s always interesting to find out what other people think and have found out. Look at Crrow777 and Shawn (or something) and that other guy, very interesting interviews.

     
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  19. I thought this show was excellent! I was completely intrigued the whole time and found it fascinating. I would love to here another episode from Shamangineer sometime soon.

     
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  20. This is my first episodic comment. Killer show!

    I have long thought that I have been the lone madman out there to see the expansion of Earth through studying the sea-floor spreading zones. I wrote a paper on them around 1996 called, “A Mechanism Accounting For the Subsidence of the Waters of the Great Flood.” Kind of just rolls off the tongue, eh?

    With hydrogen being the most common element in the known universe, where the water came from was not what I was going after. If such a biblical flood happened, waters rising for 150 days, then subsiding for 150 days, the true question would be, “where the effing shit did it go?” Don’t tell me it went down the plug hole. Only with a hollow Earth could my answer work. And that answer is, the water is still here on the surface. That latter 150 days would have been a period of accelerated sea-floor spreading. The centrifugal forces of that gained water mass would have pulled on and stretched the crust beyond its limits, and the hollow spheroid would have to grow to find its rotational balance to the newly gained mass of water.

    I picture Earth acting much like a silver iodide particle passing into a rain cloud. But this was a cosmic cloud, and likely the result of a nova of Saturn/Kronos, where Earth had once held its orbit. Obviously, things could never be the same for our home planet after that. Just as obviously, one world age would be ending and another being born into a new technological infancy. Few cultures forgot that epic flood and passed the stories down, limited by the imagery they each had at hand. And again, as probably so many times before, we clever animals made new tools and developed new and different lines of thought.

    I am so damned glad to have found this show of Greg’s. It’s been a long lonely scientific life for this old geezer of a Hollow Earther. If I had ever gotten into some university dinner party, my name tag would have to have said, “Hi, my name is Satya, and I’m a crackpot.” I have been cussed in forums such as NPR’s in the ’90s (where every computer tech thought he was a physicist with the weight of a Neil deGrasse Tyson behind him). If you had a Sagan and a Tyson, you’d have one to shit on and the other to cover it up with. Okay, maybe next time I will say what I really feel.

    Definitely more to come. So glad to be here! Thank you Greg, Shamangineer, and everyone who is supporting this.

    Namasté,

    Satya

     
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  21. Just listened to this episode, and I’m looking forward to reading deeper into some of these subjects!

    This is the first I’d heard of Sonora Aero Club, and I’m kind of blown away because I totally thought up just such a fictional story after reading about some of those mysteries… Not a hard sync-click, but a fun weird coincidence!

     
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  22. Oh yeah – when Shamangineer mentions at 56:30 diluting it 12 times over… that’s standard homeopathic practice. Though, materially, such a reduction makes it entirely unlikely for the *material* to be present in the final dosage, it is believed to make its *effects* more potent. Maybe the practitioner was going about that the wrong way, hehe

     
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