Kenneth M. Price Jr. | The Titanic, The Hindenburg, & The Oil Only Oligarchy

Show Notes


Join host, Greg Carlwood, of The Higherside Chats podcast as he talks about the role of big banking and industrial oil in the dramatic demise of both the Titanic and Hindenburg with guest, Kenneth M. Price Jr.

We all know the lore surrounding the sinking of the Titanic and annihilation of the Hindenburg, and the subsequent theories involving the Federal Reserve that have circulated around conspiracy cliques for decades. But, while we have been enamored by these tales of corrupt banking cabals, a second sinister scheme lay afoot.
Today’s guest, Kenneth Price, has spent a lifetime working in “Big Oil” and has since dedicated his time to researching the nefarious actions of these wealthy industrialists. Through his research, he has been able to shed a light on the suppression of technology and the extreme lengths the elite have taken to preserve their stranglehold on more efficient energy resources and continue the forced petroleum dependence that has handicapped us and allowed them to profit from poisoning our planet. After listening to John Hamer on THC, Kenneth reached out and offered his expertise to, The Higherside.
2:50 Kicking things off, Greg and Kenneth begin by discussing how this study of the industrial era, where elite families cemented their control and consolidated their wealth, became such a preoccupation for Price. With his appearance on THC being one of his first public speaking engagements, Price details his background working in the industry, the effects and importance this has had in his understanding of the truth, and the 1985 discovery of the Titanic’s wreckage that served as the foundation for his investigations. He also elaborates of the findings of an independent expedition of divers, Chatterton and Kohler, and what their findings may imply.
11:11 After dismantling the traditional narrative that the Titanic sank due to being struck by an iceberg and detailing the various inconsistencies in the evidence presented, Greg and Kenneth discuss the possible alternatives that could have occurred. If it didn’t sink like we have been lead to believe, was is demolished? Price adds an additional layer to already thickening plot by recollecting the sister ships of the Titanic, the Olympic and the Britannic, both of which enjoyed lengthy commissions. He continues by explaining the motives behind the oil industries vicious attacks on steam engines that manifested from their contempt for competition.
16:03 Another chilling aspect of Titanic sinking is the inevitable effects it had on air travel. Kenneth explains how the ship’s sinking coincided with the birth of aviation and the propaganda that followed and force fed fear to travelers enjoying their newfound freedom of the high seas, while redirecting their sights towards a safer alternative in the skies.
20:26 Hopping back to the larger story, Greg and Kenneth revisit the catastrophic destruction of the Hindenburg. Price provides some background on the mechanics and capabilities and consumer experience of large airships, such as the Graf Zeppelin and Hindenburg.
30:42 Greg and Kenneth discuss what may have really happened during the evacuation of the Titanic. While history books may sing of the heroic actions of first class passengers forgoing their spots aboard the lifeboats, Price recounts a different version of events where third class passengers were never alarmed, effectively destroying any chance of survival. Kenneth also discusses the anomaly of the missing bones. He details why he believes there have been no skeletal remains recovered from the wreckage and instead, what could have happened to the passengers.
35:20 Greg and Kenneth discuss the evidence that may suggest the Hindenburg was indeed a false flag, and not the tragic accident we have been to believe that it was. Price also offers some perspective when comparing modern day disasters to the calamity of the Hindenburg.
43:50 Greg and Kenneth discuss how these unimaginable tragedies effectively steered the masses into a transportation system that requires expensively processed fuels, how it ultimately created our co-dependence on wealthy elites, and our current-day struggle to escape from their monopoly.
Subscribe to the plus show to hear the extended episode, including:
– many more threads of the Titanic disaster that strengthen the case for foul play
– Guglielmo Marconi’s role during the Titanic disaster and his later role in investigating UFOs for Muculini and how these things are related
– oil isn’t what were told it is, and the campaign to convince us of it’s scarcity is simply to control prices
– TWA Flight 800 and the conspiracy surrounding it’s disappearance
– who the guilty parties really are, and the involvement of the Jesuits, J.P. Morgan and Rockefeller
– Price’s thoughts on the Federal Reserves narrative
– what Kenneth knows about the secret space programs and UFO technology, as well as his thoughts on burgeoning technology for consumer transportation products
– why the global warming narrative has been so aggressive, contradicting their agenda to maintain our oppressive petroleum dependence
– the idea of a global cash reset and how likely that might be
Want more Kenneth Price? Send him an email at: to inquire about receiving the first six chapters of his new book, “Titanic and Hindenburg: Two Tradgedies and One Plan”.
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A few valuable resources from the interview:
John Chatterton’s 2005 diving expedition of Titanic wreckage:
“Titanic’s Last Secrets: The Further Adventures of Shadow Divers John Chatterton and Richie Kohler”:
The United States Senate Disaster Hearings for the Titanic:
The British Board of Trade Hearings for the Titanic:
Tom Kuntz’s “Titanic Disaster Hearings: The Official Transcripts of the 1912 Senate Investigation”:

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49 Responses

    1. What I did not hear on the Titanic was:
      – Olympia, the sister ship was in 1 or 2 accidents and was a basket case . It couldn’t get insurance. It was switched for the Titanic that day so JP Morgan could get rid of a liability and collect insurance.
      – The ship that was standing by (California)was full of blankets etc. just by coincidence.
      – JP Morgan was supposed to travel on the Titanic but cancelled out. He had a precious cargo of statues that was supposed to sail on the boat but on the last minute they were removed and shipped on another boat. Coincidence.

  1. Thank you for being so rational, it is so needed in the conspiracy field and the world. Giving people a space to talk and share ideas is so needed. People being able to think critically and tune into their own intuition/knowing is primary to any healthy waking path. Too much reaction, not enough core love. Great show tonight. My grandmother expressed doubts about the validity of the Titanic story when I was a child. I wish I could recall the specifics, but she always seemed to be aware of the underbelly. Just signed up for year two of Plus. Appreciating you Greg.

  2. My Father was saying that the British armed forces vehicles ran on Petrol……German vehicles ran on Diesel….Supply and demand…..!!! supply 1 side with one fuel the other side with another…..Don’t you just love it when a plan comes together…!!!

  3. Man how in the world did Trump convince some many people that he was any different than any other presidential candidate I’ll never know. I was into this guy till he started talking the secret space stuff.

    1. How come? There are so many whistle-blower testimonies on the subject. I actually really like the fact that Price mentioned the SSP because I think both alternative breakthrough technologies (steam/electro-gravitics) are deeply related to the NYMZA factions which seems to be the precursor to Nazi Bell machines and the later secret space programs.
      If you still have doubts on the subject, Corey Goode, William Tompkins are highly recommended (Some links below).
      anyways, great show and glad to see folks like Price and Greg full of integrity. keep it up!

  4. Great timing. I only just spoke to my father the other day about the Titanic going down. It will be great to go back next week with some new, updated info. Thank you Kenneth and Greg.

  5. Loved this episode! Seeing the same behavior from the Elites over these many decades; just reassures that they have & continue to screw us blue. We are the unwashed masses they so disdain but love the $$$ they can literally steal from us all. This is my anniversary month so I’m reupping. Happy Birthday Greg you young thing.

  6. Greg, first of all, you have easily the most well-rounded show in the esoterica biz. opinions to the contrary are just Yabba-dabba-do. And along with the Rock’n’Roll Express being inducted into the wwe hall of fame, this show made this a great weekend. Man, old-school researchers, digging and finding those nuggets of truth fit Mr. Price to a tee. Along with all that conspiratorial goodness, brother is giving away his book. A double DDT, figure-four, stone-cold stunner(wrestl#ania weekend reference) of THC+, Forteana’s Value/Quality Leader ;]]

  7. Man, great show. I am a car enthusiast, and grease monkey. I am SO going to look into building a cheap, modern steam car using common off the shelf components. There are a ton of half finished kit cars out there really cheap so acquiring a chassis with body is easy. Just trying to work out best/cheapest fuel to use to heat boiler.

    1. Hydrogen is also very doable. Many petrol engines can be converted by simply replacing fuel lines and adjusting the timing so the spark ignites the new fuel at TDC.

  8. Really solid stuff, and when it comes to the Hindenburg and Titanic…they clearly seem very “9-11”. The Global Reset stuff is very interesting too, and worth keeping an eye on. I have some friends who monitor the GCR stuff closely and they follow Gary Larrabee and his boy Kent Dunn.

  9. Car 2 anyone? Haha.

    Big oil turned to an alternative source. Then blew all the cars up that used it so people would still depend on good oil gasoline.

  10. I am little concerned about coal burning out on the oceans. Once again, the solution to pollution becomes dilution. Maybe we should return to sails until all this combining of carbon with oxygen is finally worked around. That said, I hypocritically burn wood to stay warm, burn gas and diesel to get the wood, and drive the current energy and extraction paradigms to get the tools for it. Only that my wood lot ties up carbon faster than I release it gives my conscience any kind of an out. I would offer my design for an ether vortex turbine if the control systems that are in place weren’t rigged to keep such designs down and away from my brothers and sisters to whom I would gladly give it.

    1. Here here. What I think Mr. Price’s main point is that we have had very viable solutions all along, and that given real freedom we could do better even with old coal. That said there is a whiff of typical Baby Boomer technological optimism about his arguments, and it is precisely technology that has given the Plutocrats the tools to centralise power to this modern mess.

    2. As an old sailor (everything from wind to diesel, to gas turbines and nuclear steam) I resonated very much with the coal/steam thing. I suspect it is not as bad, especially at sea, as burning refined crude. The hell of it is, we have so many choices that are less damaging and things like Titanic and Hindenberg and the wars pushed us into the worst. I think we could have solar powered barges that go out to sea and electrolize sea water into hydrogen to fill gas bags for dirigibles and fuel. Would not have to be super efficient, just have lots. Most people have no concept of how huge the oceans are. No magic or suppressed tech required. Makes me want to build an RV dirigible…the only way to fly.

      1. I loved long transit sea time best. I was not like most of my shipmates in that. The cool thing about the diesel boats was, we ran surface in transit. I have crossed the equator in the calms, and once did 13 days in a typhoon, crossing the North Pacific. We were just trying to keep a heading and hold the bow into the seas. I was standing lookouts for that crossing. We just happened to be on the wrong side of the eye, and committed to going the same way as the storm. It tore the shit out of our forward superstructure. In the end, we looked like we’d been depth charged. That storm was fucking awesome. The ocean looked like mountains as we took wave after wave over our high sail and bridge. We were even forced to snorkel on the surface.

        1. Hmm. Surprised you wouldn’t just dive and let it pass. But the Navy has a way making you steam into the shit. I think most are forever changed after seeing the mountain range of waves thing. Seen it from the cockpit of a 44 foot sloop and the bridge of a destroyer. Much prefer the latter. Pretty much everyone losing their lunch and I was psyched to be inside and dry.

          1. Diesel boats have to run storm seas on the surface. Ballast tanks work like an upside down water glass with a vent in the bottom of the glass to let out the air. You dive by venting the air out, and surface by blowing the water out with compressed air. With ballast tanks on both sides of the hull, any listing to one side or the other and the tanks on the ‘higher side’ (here is a real higher side chat, eh?) blow more easily, thus they empty faster. You wind up listing more and more, as the lower side tanks will resist being blown.

            If you would happen to try surfacing on the side of a big wave, this uneven evacuation of the tanks could easily lead to a rollover, and if you turn upside down in that kind of a submarine, you dead, sucka! All your compressed air will go out the bottoms of the tanks through the flood ports and you will likely reach crush depth before you get things righted and can try again. Now you are deeper, the sea pressure higher, and the air pressure lower. Add that to the fact that everything that was just on the decks just hit the overheads, including you, and you just ain’t going to have much of a chance to avoid Davey Jones’ locker.

            As I said, we were in that storm for 13 days, and the batteries only last a day or so. So, surfacing would have to have been done in those water mountains. I was in the 8 guys out of 80 who did not get seasick in that storm. Those poor bastards…

            1. Wow. Coming up Nuc, I never considered the capsizing threat when surfacing in the shit. Makes sense. Went SWO after Canoe U. Not getting seasick is a mixed blessing in that you stand a lot of watches. I always enjoyed storms because all I had to do was drive, (or run the plant when I was one of 2 qualified EOOWs) and everyone pretty much left us alone in between watches.

              1. I don’t get any of that lingo. What’s SWO, Canoe U., and EOOWs?

                One time (before Nixon went to China with Pepsi, or Carter to the Soviet Union with Coke), while electronically spying (my job) on one of those two unfriendlies (in their waters), we lost depth control while snorkeling along at a good clip, became heavy forward from a sudden snorkel shutdown, and stuck the boat in the mud, stripping off the chin mount sonar array.

                The con then panicked and blew all the tanks from the 115 foot bottom. Doing a buoyant accent from the bottom with no forward speed, we popped up like a cork, taking on a heavy port list as we rose. So, as I described above, the higher side tanks evacuated faster, and with our big fiberglass sail acting as a dynamic plane, by the time we found ourselves embarrassingly floundering on the surface in plain sight of that unfriendly coast, we were listing 60 degrees to port. I stepped out of my after battery compartment bunk and walked on the refer doors across the passageway, as they were now only at 30 degrees. I looked forward into the mess room and saw the deep sinks and plate, cup, and bowl racks emptying, with the splashing of dishwater and the crashing of Pyrex plates, cups, and bowls.

                This wasn’t my first big emergency. In fact, I was getting too used to these by this time. I was about ready to unvolunteer from the boats. Shit seemed to always be going sideways and I am glad to even have survived that boat now. But, at the time, the worst thing about those near misses was often cleaning up the messes that wild angles and dangles can make of the boat. Water, oil, and fractured Pyrex makes for a troublesome mix. Vomit kind of sux too. Nothing but good fun, eh?

  11. Sometimes I am a little dense. Would somebody please explain to me how the fuel source was blamed for sinking the Titanic? I get it that there was purportedly an iceberg collision and coal fire, but how did the Plutes sell this connection? Not clear to me from the interview. Trans-atlantic airliners didn’t come in as alternative until the late 50s…

  12. Welp… I like his optimism. Hope he’s right about the debt jubilee… this home remodel is killing me.

    Very interesting about the Titanic and Hindenburg. I guess nothing we’ve learned about the past should be taken at face value.

  13. I worked at a movie theater when titanic came out, and I clearly remember opening weekend being DEAD. I saw a lotta block busters during that time. Young guns, Batman, Terminator 2, etc. and the lines were around the corner, but titanic was dead. Then all week news claimed it was biggest movie ever, and I was like, whaa??? No one saw it! Of course the second weekend it was packed.

  14. I really enjoyed this episode. But I kinda thought it was weird how the guest left out the Fischer-Tropsch (Operation Paperclip Alums) process in regards to the abiotic oil theory. I also really enjoyed the whole Zeppelin angle.

  15. Awesome show to finish off a solid month of what I think were mind blowing shows. I love shows that make me want to research afterwards! I’m surprised Lenon Honor wouldn’t want to talk about his new documentary on your show, oh well.

  16. Greg, I would like to comment on your remarks to sum up the month. You mentioned that people have complained about your guests sex or ethnicity. For my own part, I say fuck that. Get people who know what they’re talking about, I don’t care if it comes from a man, woman, black, white, Asian, whatever other options there are. I like that you get interviews with smart people that have interesting ideas, even when I don’t agree with them. That sort of ad hominem nonsense is part of the problem today. Not to mention the fact that you have a conspiracy orientation to your show so you’re already on the outside of political correctness. You’re going to do as you see fit, but I think you are doing things pretty good by just letting the truth come out regardless of the race or ethnicity of the messenger.

  17. Instant classic!
    And as alway, you’ve really done your homework, Greg.
    Anyone who hasn’t signed up for the plus show is so missing out! Cmon boys and girls, you know he deserves it!
    Stay the course, Greg. You’re doing a fantastic job. Thanks, mate!

  18. I love these styled shows, but to play Devils advocate I’ll include only one thought. I was led to believe that the reason no bodies were found on the titanic is because once a bio organism descends to that depth of almost 2 miles, the bones are literally crushed into a powder. The small cavities within the bones just get smashed and compressed into nothing. That was about the only area of speculation I disagreed with. Well it was that or a slaver ship to account for the missing bodies. But even on submarines that fall to the ocean floor, the bodies are gone.

    1. I once heard a lecture given by the diver who took the messenger cable down and connected it to the U.S.S. Squalus, after it sunk 240 feet to the bottom near Portsmouth, NH, in 1939. The boat on took water when it dove and the main engine air induction valve failed to shut. (On the diesel electric Portsmouth boat I was on, that valve was 36 inches in diameter.)

      The Squalus became heavy aft, and though diving with a steep down angle, she soon became stern heavy as the engine rooms flooded into the after battery compartment, forcing the shutting of the control room to after battery water tight door, trapping many crew members behind it.

      I don’t know what happens to bones at the depth the Titanic went to, but what I learned of the fate of the Squalus’ crewmen in the aft compartments had not before occurred to me. I was disabused of any idea of the men straining for breath in the bubbles at the tops of the flooded compartments, only to suffocate as the oxygen was depleted. This was not to happen.

      The diver, Martin Sibitsky, told us that due to the compression at 240 feet, the air in those bubbles became so hot as to blister the paint inside those bubbles. He said that anyone who would have tried to breathe that air would have had their lungs seared instantly. It would have been their last breath. He said no one died a slow death in those compartments.

      I have only ever made a practice escape, and that was from only 50 feet in the training tank at Sub Base, Pearl Harbor. I did, however, for my submarine physical, go to 100 feet equivalent sea pressure in a decompression chamber. I can tell you that when that chamber was at the 100 feet of pressure, it was hot as Hell in there. By the time it was returned to one atmosphere, it was very cold.

      Here’s a story of the Squalus sinking and rescue I just found:

      1. That’s very interesting. I never thought of the compressed air heating up, but yeah I can see why it would have to heat up. Compress anything and it gets hot. I was talking to a friend that was on nuclear subs awhile back, and he is the one that told me about the bones crushing. That conversation took place about one full day before I downloaded this show. Talk about synchronicity. On your 100 ft accent, did you go Ho-Ho-Ho all the way to the surface? And a diver rode you like a cork the last 20 feet? He was on the subs from roughly 1970-1980 for what it’s worth.

        1. I only did the buoyant escape from 50 feet (though the tower was 100 feet). Only the ship’s divers did it from the 100 foot level. But yes, we were all ordered to shout, “ho, ho ho,” all the way up. If you stopped, or if the safety divers in there even thought they didn’t hear you, they would grab you in an instant and pull you into an airlock on the side of the tower. A diver grabbed me, and I was really pissed because I was shouting, “ho, ho, ho.” I was having fun, thoroughly enjoying the ride.

          For those who won’t understand this, you must keep shouting that so the safety divers inside the escape tank tower know you are exhaling constantly, because if you stop exhaling, even briefly, while your inflated life vest is carrying you quickly to the surface, your lungs will burst. The Steinke Hood, the life vest you wear for submarine escapes, is an inflatable vest with a plastic hood that goes over your head. There is a pressure relief valve that lets the expanding air in the vest go into the hood so you have a continuous air supply all the way up. It was a brilliant invention.

          I don’t know what the drill is now; I did this in 1966, and was on the boat to early ’68.

          Repeated pressure changes in the boat from snorkeling the diesel engines ruined my ear drums for diving and I couldn’t dive 8 feet in a regular swimming pool ever since.

        1. I just saw this. The main crew had to do 50 feet. My 100 foot pressure test was part of my submarine physical exam.

          As you see, I probably qualify for “back in the day.” 🙂 The keel of my boat was laid in 1945. It wasn’t finished until ’49 because WWII had ended. Because it was newer than most of the WWII era boats, it had been getting all the trick shit, including having been cut in two and stretched to double its battery capacity. I am glad I never was on a nuke because they were much worse for military horse shit. The diesel electric boats were still generally the basic German WWI design.

  19. Honestly this guy was discredited in my eyes as soon as he made a claim about coal ash being ok to use over water. What the fuck? Coal ash is chock full of arsenic, lead, mercury, and a myriad of toxins that have destroyed many bodies of water and rivers within the USA alone. I don’t understand this dudes love for coal, and honestly his insistence on its validity as a safe alternative fuel source prevented me from taking anything else he said as valid. Granted, his evidence and findings on the Titanic were interesting and do provoke some serious questions, but I don’t think this guy put enough research into his coal evaluations..

  20. Remember the Led Zeppelin album cover with the burning Zeppelin on it…..I remembered it when listening to this podcast…….ha led Zeppelin or should I say Lead Zeppelin!

  21. No mention of the fact that the “Titanic” was actually the Olympic? They found an “o” written on the back when they finally found it. Just sayin
    Good show tho!!

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