Where are you thinking of moving to and WHY
I am thinking about Virginia, West Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Pennsylvania. I am currently in Philadelphia and need to get out and start planting fruit and nut trees, but I love my job here. Rural Eastern PA is quite expensive and the property taxes can be pretty ridiculous. So property value and property taxes are high on my list. West Virginia has very little regulation about rain catchment, off-grid power, and building additional structures. My current searches get narrowed down fairly quickly looking for affordable acreage with woods, well water, existing home, existing outbuiding/s, and high speed internet, because I run some servers and would like to run more when I have a solar array. Mountains, deciduous trees and being within an hour of a University with a program at which I might be able to teach are some of my considerations. But like Philadelphia, Academia isn't the best locale to be reliant on, so I am not married to that and haven't been teaching for most of the pandemic because of covid policies. How far away do you want to be from a nuclear power plant or some other potential target of a nuclear attack or false flag nuclear attack could be a consideration. Also, just the nature of the specific property, is the house visible from the road? Does it back against state forests or undeveloped land? Does it look good for swales, terraces, grazing, hunting, etc. I've lived in Louisiana, South Carolina, and Georgia which precludes me from considering Texas or the deep South or southwest because I don't like the oppressive heat. I was honestly thinking about moving to Canada before Covid happened, but seeing the Covid response there changed mind.
I listened to it, it was a really good conversation although I didn't expect some of Joel's takes. Like disease-carrying ticks being a reason to avoid the Ozarks. Maybe I should value what diseases are spread by local wildlife more but I think it would have to be really serious to prevent me from moving somewhere. The water situation seems more important to me too. Yeah you can find enough water almost anywhere to sustain yourself but not always enough for crops or livestock, especially during a historic drought. Well water seems suitable for most uses though, even farming, until usage exceeds the amount being replenished. I'm told my great grandfather used just a dowsing rod to decide where to put a well lol but I wouldn't want to take the risk of it running dry after SHTF and the local well drillers have been cannibalized. I grew up on well water and it was great but we had a time where we had to get it drilled about twice as deep. Apparently the water table dropped after years of new home construction in the area, so it's not realistic to presume water is always going to be abundant, even in wetter areas. I think it would be good to have a large river or lake nearby as an emergency backup (plus good soil near the banks). Water pollution, algae blooms, parasites, brain-eating amoebas, etc. are worth taking into consideration though.
The red/blue state issue is more important to me for daily life quality (less taxes, regulations and socialists) before SHTF or if SDEHTF. All the governors and top state officials are in the Big Club and will fall in line when it comes down to it, so the team color doesn't really matter in the grand scheme as much as it can culture-wise. I know someone who visited Gallup, NM a few months ago and said the whole town was masked up. You'd think the Native Americans would be the most untrusting of the government but they're surprisingly compliant. If the government really cracked down on Covid (like in parts of Canada, Australia or NZ) I would prefer to be around unruly rednecks than pleasant sheep who make the enforcers' jobs easy. I don't know if the government could still have a hold on power in a "natural" SHTF situation like a pole shift or solar flare but they definitely have more plandemics, manmade disasters and wars up their sleeves. So I'm mostly planning down the middle because I really don't know what's going to happen to this country or the planet but I definitely don't have a warm fuzzy feeling about it.
NW Montana near Flathead lake isn’t near any major military bases or activity. It has it’s own temperate climate because of the size of the lake. Major mountain ranges protect us from everyone else and Canada is pretty empty above us. There is water everywhere! We are already set up as a community for self sufficiency. Most jobs revolve around food production, raw land improvement, off grid living, survivalist interests, logging and wood production, small businesses, locally run businesses, ranching and everything that is useful to the community. The winter isn’t that bad (but keep that a secret) it’s just long enough to keep out the weak people. We didn’t have any homeless until just this past month they’ve been dropped off by mysterious vans, but law enforcement is the most people-friendly I’ve seen so far. The sheriff will in fact be your buddy in a small town and back you up to protect your land. They don’t spend all their time collecting speeding tickets, in fact I never even see them on the roads. Kalispell and many other towns do not fluoridate their water because the towns had enough backbone to fight it off. Marijuana is legal, and if it ever wasn’t nobody cared LOL. Whitefish and that college town.... what’s it called Missoula are Liberal, but everywhere else is conservative. We’ve got the absolute best laws that support freedom out of everywhere in the country. No one wears masks or cares about “germs”. In fact everyone is pro-dirt and pro-germs and those who aren’t Cant stop others from living their lives because they are the minority. I love it, it’s absolutely phenomenal. Only tough, rustic people can survive and live here and so it weeds out the weak, thank heavens.
@TheCarlwood - last you mention on the Joint Session, it was probably down to a choice between Colorado and Washington. I might be able to sway your decision with one simple suggestion: look up the town that can truly justify throwing “sunny” in front of its name despite a PNW locale… Sequim, WA!
The sunny part is earned due to its placement directly in the center of a rain-shadow cast by the Olympic Mountains. That extra clear-sky weather turns it into the perfect climate for all kinds of non-PNW agriculture, which is why it hosts the annual Lavender Festival, one big draw for people who might visit. You can travel from the beach to the mountains in about 30 minutes, which is why the Dungeness River hosts one of the quickest descents in the state.
This used to be dairy-farming territory, and a few silos still stand here and there. You can still find cattle grazing just about anywhere out here. Any other kind of livestock you might think of can be found around here, including Emu and Peacocks. The farmers market is booming for a community of 7000 (mostly retirees at average age of 56), and one could literally pluck salmon from a creek during this time of year.
I grew up here, moved out to live in Seattle and then Portland, only to find synchronicity bringing me back after 20 years to run one of the best dispensaries in the state (owned by the local native Tribe). Yes, a great state for cannabis 🙂
Sequim has some of the most beautiful geography one can find on this planet, a reason why I am only one of few people who find themselves coming back after searching for greener grass elsewhere…
This area has ancient native history dating back over 10,000 years (literally, spearheads in mammoth bones found around a “flood story” monument that is a sight to behold), plenty of foraging and hunting for those who thrive on survival skills, and even one of (in my opinion) the craziest stories from the “satanic panic” of the 80’s.
Last but not least, we are in a zone where the wind always blows from the West, coming off the Pacific or from Canada - this gives me comfort when I imagine possible nuclear fallout scenarios (the air circulates more in the mountains, but as you head north to the beach, it always travels East).
Oh, and a recent guest claimed that Seattle area would definitely be a target for nuclear strike, but he was a bit off regarding how Bangor submarine base might factor: 4 of 5 nuclear subs are ALWAYS out on patrol, with only one ever located at base. They do leave half the nuclear stockpile at base at any time, but that just equates to the dirtiest of dirty bombs that could ever be imagined if that stockpile were hit in a nuclear strike, and the whole West Coast would become inhabitable with that action. This is not a likely scenario given the percentage of China’s wealthy that have family living between Seattle and Vancouver, Canada. I am no expert at all, but I do imagine that NORAD / Central Command would be hit with much, much more than our PNW military bases might see.
But to put a cherry on top, I will say three things: real estate is affordable (400k for a good 3b/2bth) and will not go down in price (had the most expensive per-vote election in the USA one year based on a proposed property tax increase). You are also NOT stuck in a “blue state” area here; we are very rural, with far too many retirees… doesn’t matter whether you are homesteading in the hills or kicking it in the neighborhood. Lastly, there is real magic in this area, the kind that makes it the perfect place to raise a family. I couldn’t be more thankful for my years growing up here, and my wife and I know that our 10 month old daughter will be growing up in one of the cleanest, brightest, and healthiest places this great globe has to offer!