Where are you thinking of moving to and WHY
Thanks, was hoping there would be a thread relating to the topic of places to move to. I was born in CA & my job keeps me here, but the politics & demographics have been shit for a while & are only getting worse, so staying for the long-term might not be an option.
I lived in Branson, MO, for about 5 years--this is app. 30-40 mins south of Springfield. Have some contacts there so that (along w/Arkansas) are possibilites.
I recently visited and travelled throughout the mid-South, liked Tennessee a lot, Ashville of NC was great, and eastern Virginia stood out as well. Haven't done deep research though. Texas & Florida seem like they've gotten too popular & too many Libtards moving there might be a problem, I also worry about demographics (white people REALLY need to get over being ashamed of wanting to be around "their own kind").
Gotta run, will read thread more in-depth later.
Arkansas and Missouri are similar to me so I group them together - Pros: prices, prices, prices; cheap for what you can get (amount of land, niceness or house, amount of water i.e. stocked pond, etc., trees, already established infrastructure, etc.) there doesn't seem to be a comparison to any other state, the prices in these two areas seem to still be lowest for what you get...
And maybe that is because people don't want to move here, hey I get it, but my question is are there any better places? Or at least, are they places that allow you to survive the best going to be any different? It's going to be in the middle or no-where, and granted you could be closer to a big city like maybe Dallas or Houston (MAYBE Austin, but again find me farm-able land with a good water source and trees for a decent price somewhere around Austin, idt it's possible that far south), but is that any different then being outside Springfield, MO? Idk maybe it is, I've never been to Springfield so let me know. What I'm saying is country culture is country culture no matter where you go. I've lived in Texas and Louisiana, both in the country, and it was racist af. I mean idk how you live somewhere where you can survive and not have to deal with those things. Anyway I digress....
Pros (cont.): water, trees, etc., are plentiful in these areas so no problem there, decent space/selection (especially in Southern MO), decent cancer rates (More so in MO), more farm-able land (less large pasture land), good pop density, decent marijuana laws (MO is decriminalized for 10grams and has medical, similar in AR), kind of forgotten about states which again could be good or bad hard to say
Cons - Culture suspect even in bigger cities? (not sure on this one just heard people say it sucks), not a lot of pasture as mentioned above, WEATHER, bugs, etc., can still run in to swampy land/pasture that periodically floods, etc., not as good gun laws (don't think MO or AR is constitutional carry), still has some weird laws (abortion, etc.), Tornado ally when getting in to more northern MO
I can speak to this, as someone who moved from a nearby megacity to Arkansas. I originally started off in Northwest Arkansas, near the university in Fayetteville, but bought a house and some land an hour south near Fort Smith.
Pros: echoing a lot of what you mentioned - access to clean water, I only have a little less than half an acre but I've got seven large trees - wood is plentiful, as are fish, game, wild plants, etc. MJ is a bit pricey to buy in the shops in AR, but very obtainable if you have the money - otherwise it isn't too difficult to find through other methods. Cost of living is also low relative to the cities. People are nice and helpful here for the most part - and they are resourceful. Many understand the land and have been working it for generations, still plenty of hard workers and tough folks out this way. Recreationally if you enjoy the outdoors you can have a great time here. Kayaking, rock climbing, spelunking, mountain biking, just about any type of outdoor activity can be found in some shape or form here. I also enjoy early american history (as many of you who listened to the ep may be familiar by now), and there is always something new to explore here.
Cons: small rural southern towns are what they are. not going to find too many places to buy groceries outside of walmart, unless you plan on using online shipping for specific products, you're gonna make due with what you can find in towns. that said, if your intention is homesteading anyway that shouldn't matter too much in the long run. this summer has definitely been pretty brutal weather-wise, though it is slightly worse here in the river valley with the humidity. Prepare to deal with ticks, chiggers, snakes, wasps, and other nasty critters - they are manageable but definitely an adjustment if you're not ready for it. most real estate listings will show you the potential to be in a flood zone, so unless you are willingly living in an area prone to flooding, it can be avoided (outside of the mudfloods of course). I haven't been closer than a few dozen miles away from a tornado, but that is just something you learn to live with in these parts. Also you will pay state income tax here - as well as property taxes on vehicles.
Frame these places in a historical context. For a long time, this area of the world was where disaffected soldiers and homesteaders chose to hide away from the grasps of whatever power player was trying to take their lives or their money. Most people, when traveling west - would either go north through Iowa, or south. Geographically this area is lush and natural, but also harsh and hard to traverse. In the old days, if you wanted to disappear and start a new life in private - this was one of the better places to do so. Its why bootleggers at the turn of the century could simultaneously run moonshine produced in caves here, and (allegedly) build large hot springs bathhouses to escape the cities. Its why native americans have been living here for tens of thousands of years before we showed up.
In all - I am much happier here in a rural small town with my own home than I would ever be continuing to slum it in apartments in big cities. Are there drawbacks? Absolutely. Does it outweigh the current and potential benefits? Not for me.
Over the years here in CO my wife and I have explored a bunch of old abandoned mines or production sites that has been super interesting and it's something we are excited about a place that would have similar historical sites to explore. Do you know if you have any mounds or mound monuments, etc., that are out by Fort Smith or AR in general? My wife has gotten into mound builders lore, etc., lately and says that area has some sites (maybe more MO...?) I guess. Idk.
There is a mound site here called Spiro mounds, its about a 20 minute drive over the OK border from here. It is...extremely disappointing. The museum is nothing but replicas, the mounds themselves are not well kept - when I went all the mounds were overgrown, and half wrecked which was attributed to a local construction company 100 years ago that sought to remove the mounds to put up real estate and were stopped before they could completely destroy it. Compared to sites like Cahokia outside of St Louis (which I haven't been to yet) it is certainly not very impressive. I did get a funny throwaway response from the guy working there when I asked him about the giant's bones. Interestingly enough that site is owned by the Oklahoma state Historical Society - which is the only historical society in the country that is recognized by the Smithsonian. Perhaps this should tell you exactly why nothing you see at a place like Spiro mounds could be accurate - or at the very least they have some very spooky gatekeepers. A few years ago when I discovered the place for the first time it was closed right after flooding. I was in the parking lot putting my next destination into the GPS when a marked vehicle seemingly appeared out of nowhere and followed me all the way back onto the main highway. No idea if it was government, security, or what but it was a little weird for there to be that kind of surveillance and protection - especially in the middle of the afternoon on a weekday in a tiny town like Spiro. I wonder if perhaps the flooding may have revealed some type of archeological discovery that they didn't want anyone to know about...
In general, I have found a ton of interesting stuff to explore in the great state of Arkansas. In no particular order, I have written about them on stolenhistory. For anyone interested, here's a link dump.
I have been looking for areas/states with cheap land, good people, reasonable politics and less taxes. I'm in Los Angeles right now and have wanted to get out of CA ever since Trump ran and got elected. The jobs I wanted no longer appealed to me after all the libs' masks came off (before double-masking) and their true selves came out. I didn't even vote for or support him but I got a lot of (what I perceived to be suspicious) looks from people any time I disagreed with or didn't openly support the woke hivemind that seems to exist in every office in L.A. Even guys I used to respect came to work bitching about Orange Man being a bigot and the Russians rigging the election and then freaked out over the Covid plandemic.
Anyway I just wanted to add that I'm from around the same part of Missouri as Greg and also lived in Columbia, MO before So Cal. I have some knowledge of central and eastern MO and still debate whether I want to move back there or look into somewhere that I have no connections but may be a better fit. In Missouri land is cheap, guns are friends, deer and small game are plentiful, water and small lakes can be found all over and it has a lot of trees. Also most of the people in the state are friendly as long as you're friendly towards them (don't act like you are better than them even if you believe you are). A lot of regions aren't as welcoming to outsiders.
That being said, it is also not the most desirable place to live during the time before SHTF. Some cons: the weather isn't pleasant most of the time, occasional tornados, bugs/mosquitos/snakes, the food and culture kinda suck overall, cannabis isn't totally legal, it has a major fault line in the southeast, nuclear reactor in the middle and a state income tax over 5%. Away from the cities and college towns it's mostly people who come home after work (if not on welfare/disability) and binge on food, alcohol and TV plus some bikers and meth heads here and there. From my experience, there aren't many people that I would want to live next to if they started getting desperate. It would be a nice surprise to find a community with a lot of ancap types back there though. After the next crypto bull run, maybe I'll start one. Just have to make enough to do that and outbid Monsanto for ownership of the politicians. Lol
There is some sort of right or conservative hivemind outside the metro areas. It's not as noticeable until you get far into the farming areas and the towns with no industry left and a lot of poor white people needing something bigger than themselves to identify with. The areas where the Klan was popular. I'm not trying to paint a bleak picture of the people of Missouri in particular, it sounds a lot like how you talk about CO. I think people in most states are in the same rural vs urban, Fox vs CNN paradigm and the social engineers designed it that way. Missouri is generally a "live and let live" state of friendly midwesterners. If you just go with the flow (don't put an "I support Planned Parenthood" sign in your yard), most country people will accept you and leave you alone. The deeply religious folks seemed to be a minority but most people say they are Christian and probably go to mass on Christmas. There are some racist idiots but I've actually heard a lot more racist comments in my time in L.A. than in MO. The few black, latino and Muslim people we had in my small school were usually some of the most liked kids.
I am trying to move somewhere outside city limits, hopefully far from a 5G tower but not too far from civilization. If you decide to isolate far away from people, you should have no problem with the locals (except wandering meth heads looking for shit to steal and pawn). But if you want the option of being able to socialize regularly with open-minded people, it seems you have to live close to a city, college town or tourist destination - where people are more accustomed to diversity and usually a bit more tolerant. We joke about boring vacations in Branson, MO but it is on my radar. The Ozarks area in general is one of the better choices if there is a shitstorm caused by a pole shift or a complete societal breakdown but it's also triangulated by nuke reactors (not saying that they're likely to have a complete meltdown but something to consider). My family is several miles from the Mississippi River, so not a good spot if you take any psychic prediction maps like Cayce's seriously. They are north of the New Madrid fault as well but there are some benefits to moving there, depending on whether the big catastrophe is natural or man-made. Knowing the terrain, where to hunt and fish, where springs and natural sources of water are, what the seasons are like, who you can trust and barter with, etc. is really important. Being in an unfamiliar area with maybe a few new friends, some chickens and a garden when SHTF might work out but I think the long term survival odds aren't very good. Especially if the growing conditions aren't favorable for multiple seasons and armed gangs form raiding parties. Maybe I'm pessimistic but it does all seem like a crapshoot when you look at it from a 30000 ft view. Anything could happen and even the most prepared will need a lot of good fortune. I'm just taking steps to live a freer, more natural, self-sufficient life and hopefully, if the day comes, I'll be in the right place and be ready for it.
I have been looking into some other states that seem to be a good fit though, particularly red ones without state income tax. Mountains would be a plus, I love western Wyoming but the Yellowstone Caldera is probably a deal-breaker. An aunt lives in Florida, I've always liked visiting the gulf coast and considered moving there many years ago but the hurricanes, humidity and large population don't excite me. Texas, well I have barely seen much besides the airports and the Oklahoma border but I have some college friends near Dallas who love it. Western TX/OK/KS/NE are probably great places if SHTF and have cheap land but too flat for me. Tennessee is probably my second choice right now mostly due to proximity to MO and having no state tax. But I also don't want to continue to live away from most of the people I know while dealing with the same weather, humidity, bugs, rednecks, etc. as I would back home and that seems to be most of the south. Plus I'll have to live with being the carpet-bagging yankee in town. Lol who knows, maybe in 10-15 years I'll be sipping margaritas in my new backyard overlooking Arizona Bay. I'll definitely miss the So Cal weather, the mountains, the good weed, the beautiful women and the ocean; it's a shame the banking cabal and their politicians have ruined so much of the country with "progressive" legislation.
Ancap (anarcho-capitalist) meaning people who are right-libertarian and want a stateless, free-market society.