Where are you thinking of moving to and WHY
This is a question for anyone who is thinking about moving somewhere with the idea of trying to be more self-sufficient, live off the land, turtle up when shit hits the fan, etc. A place where you would be able to survive if stuff went sideways. Where are you thinking about moving and WHY? Or maybe you've already moved there and are setting up your homestead. If so, then how do you like the area? How is your growing season going so far? etc. Maybe you haven't started the search but are looking with certain priorities in mind, what are those? What are you looking for? What do you think would be best for survival? Looking for opinions on these types of questions. It's something Greg has mentioned on the show multiple times. He always throws out Texas as one of his spots. IDK if he ever says why or goes in to it, would be interested to hear. But also wondering what you guys think.
This is something my wife and I have been thinking about and discussing for a long time and I wanted to try and get others opinions on the subject. We've been at this a long time, and honestly have been putting it off even though we have the means to move because we like our current location so much. We live in Colorado right now and it is great. Just everything. But it's really hard to homestead in CO and not to mention upgrading your land situation in very expensive. A lot of west coast states have similar issues, from price to lack of inventory. Not to mention other glaring issues. So we searched and researched and searched and researched. Probably for about 2 years now. And our search we've narrowed it down to a couple different areas that we have started looking at with intensity in the past few months. The areas we've landed on pretty much encompass east Texas up thru Arkansas and southern Missouri, roughly. We decided on these areas based on a certain categories, which are (not in particular order necessarily): prices of house/land (what you get for the money, etc.), farm-able land, water, population density, cancer rates, tree density, local laws and ordinances, state law and ordinances, local/state politics in general, local/state culture (or what we know of it if we haven't been there), gun laws specifically, marijuana/other drug laws specifically, weather, state/local response to plandemic etc. That's a good amount of things, and obviously some things are more important than others, but that's a good list to start with.
Ok so here are some pros and cons I see with these areas....
east Texas - Pros: lots of options and lots of space, Texas probably has the most options when it comes to looking for a house or piece of land, they definitely have the most search results when looking at realtor or Zillow, lots of big pieces of land if that's what you are looking for, if you're looking at east Texas specifically then water and trees won't be a problem, the soil composition is somewhat decent, good state/local response to pandemic, very good gun laws, good population density away from big cities, decent cancer rates (no big hotspots outside major cities and gulf areas), finding pasture land for animals would be easier then other areas, culture in major cities decent
Cons: probably the worst marijuana laws in the country, prices are not what they used to be (I fell like Texas has become "the cool spot" for some reason and the prices of homes and land reflect that, it is not that cheap to buy in Texas like it used to be, although this is true for the housing market in general it is especially true in Texas), if you're looking outside east Texas water and trees and almost non-existent, farm-able land can be tricky as you run into swampy conditions in some parts of east Texas, some laws are weird (like no abortion thing, just a personal preference though), culture outside major cities could be suspect, weather sucks, bugs, etc.
Neutral - seems to be the "figure-head" state of the right which I don't if I like or dislike...
Arkansas and Missouri are similar to me so I group them together - Pros: prices, prices, prices; cheap for what you can get (amount of land, niceness or house, amount of water i.e. stocked pond, etc., trees, already established infrastructure, etc.) there doesn't seem to be a comparison to any other state, the prices in these two areas seem to still be lowest for what you get...
And maybe that is because people don't want to move here, hey I get it, but my question is are there any better places? Or at least, are they places that allow you to survive the best going to be any different? It's going to be in the middle or no-where, and granted you could be closer to a big city like maybe Dallas or Houston (MAYBE Austin, but again find me farm-able land with a good water source and trees for a decent price somewhere around Austin, idt it's possible that far south), but is that any different then being outside Springfield, MO? Idk maybe it is, I've never been to Springfield so let me know. What I'm saying is country culture is country culture no matter where you go. I've lived in Texas and Louisiana, both in the country, and it was racist af. I mean idk how you live somewhere where you can survive and not have to deal with those things. Anyway I digress....
Pros (cont.): water, trees, etc., are plentiful in these areas so no problem there, decent space/selection (especially in Southern MO), decent cancer rates (More so in MO), more farm-able land (less large pasture land), good pop density, decent marijuana laws (MO is decriminalized for 10grams and has medical, similar in AR), kind of forgotten about states which again could be good or bad hard to say
Cons - Culture suspect even in bigger cities? (not sure on this one just heard people say it sucks), not a lot of pasture as mentioned above, WEATHER, bugs, etc., can still run in to swampy land/pasture that periodically floods, etc., not as good gun laws (don't think MO or AR is constitutional carry), still has some weird laws (abortion, etc.), Tornado ally when getting in to more northern MO
So this is probably way too long already but these are some of things that are factoring in to our decision on where to move. Our goal is to buy somewhere that would ultimately allow us to 100% self-sufficient at one point. This is easier said than done obviously, but even if we could get 60-70% and still have to buy paper towels or w.e., that would be a huge accomplishment itself. On our current urban homestead we are maybe 30% self-sufficient, but we are working on a MUCH smaller piece of land (basically a big yard in the city, you can check out our youtube if you want High Altitude Homesteading https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ0wK9t1_DIwJMQdTC51xoA).
Anyway, really wondering what others out there are thinking on this subject. If you're thinking about moving, where are you thinking about moving and what are your reasons? Do you have pros and cons? Are you looking for something other than survivability, or is that your main concern too? Strange times we live in, wondering how others are thinking about dealing with the upcoming upheaval? (if there is one that is, no pessimism here, just preparedness).
if i may...
i can appreciate any one using all of their powers of intellect to 'decide where to go'.
however, i have found from over 40 yrs of searching and vibing this beaitiful country - from the mendicino coast of northern cali, to the sangre de cristos mountains of new mexico, to the puget sound of washington state, to the oak forest rolling down upon the atlantic ocean at murrel's inlet south carolina, to the hidden beaches of maui, hawaii - and how found the oft repeated adage to be true: wherever you go, there you are.
for me, the most important place on the planet to go right now is: inside the self.
we humans have not even come close, i don't think, to awakening our own powers of manifestation.
and to be sure, i believe a 'close to nature' location could be crucial for that awakening.
(which is why i am on some level freaked out to be in a rather large urban environment!)
anyway, best of luck to you and yours and your quest for a wonderful home.
i've often wondered, and heard it suggested that the civilization that built all of these jaw dropping cathedrals - now gone - were breatharians.
give me fresh water and some woods - i think i can make it.
hey, it's kind of nice to get a reply that is, for lack of better terms, politely disagreeing.
i appreciate you taking the time to express yourself without having to trash me. (i've been upset to see that happening here
on the thc site comments. bummer.)
i want to aknowledge your "i" statement: "...it doesn't really help me much"
fair enough. i can relate to your truth
also, you said, "I'm down with the whole finding yourself journey and whatnot, but it can't be what everything is about."
i cldn't disagree more - finding the depths of your personal power and how to create from that place IS the journey. and that can happen right where one is at, without fretting over a map of the known world. just saying.
you: Think it was an Alan Watts quote or Ram Dass maybe, but it had something to do with being too materialistic or too spiritualistic and having to pay bills, etc. I think either can be a bad thing, and this case I think we may be getting in to the realm of too spiritualistic.
hmmm...i never mentioned anything about spiritualism.
you: I don't agree with the statement of give me fresh water and some woods and I think I can make it.
well, you can't really "disagree" with another person's truth can you? maybe you mean that you don't resonate with this statement.
you: If you look at homesteading in general, and people coming here from the east to populate the west, it was not easy to survive. Heck it wasn't easy to survive for a long time for a lot of people in almost any area, and they have knowledge that we don't have anymore.
hmm...have you ever considered that the entire narrative of western history (and ESP the american "homesteading" narrative) is a complete and utter fabrication? you may or may not like jon levi's youtube videos about the san fransico narrative.)
you: Idk, I think the spiritual aspect of things is nice when we are all comfy and warm and fed in our homes with heat, a/c, w.e., but when you haven't ate in weeks or had a drink of water in a day, I think that feeling would quickly change to something a little more animalistic.
like i said, i never mentioned the word "spiritual". but i understand your concerns. i have fasted for weeks (granted in a safe, controlled environment) at a time on nothing but water and i did not turn animalistic. i turned into a buzzing ball of light and love. just saying.
you: But as far as this post goes, I'm looking for objective real world things that people are doing or looking for to survive, and even though I've come a long way in the "finding yourself journey" thing we call life I still don't think I could survive long without a preparedness.
well, i hear you there. but, you might just be surprised how long you could survive without preparedness.(all's i have myself is a wood burning stove, a water distiller and a small storage of grains and dried friut. not sure what the hell i wld do if the whole system collapsed. i have a feeling i cld make it unharmed to a better day.)
anyway, i was giving my best, honest reply to your post. and i hear it's not what you are looking for. it's just that i have spent many years agonizing (not that you are, nec) over "where do i go?? how the hell do i get out of here?? where's the safest place to go?? where do i find the best of nature??" - all legitimate concerns - and have found that tuning deeply into my own vibration in the location where i am (which i don't nec think of as spiritual so much as tapping into the potential of what is) allows me to have the experience i am mentally projecting MUST be somewhere else, someplace better, somewhere without bugs, etc. that's all i wanted to say.
so, thank you for your courteous engagement. such a rare thing.
just to add: i am knocked out by what an amazing job gregg is doing and what a goldmine of info his sight has. lots of his guests do cover "esoteric, magic, etc" which is why i thought it might be helpful to suggest: at the climax of your journey to empowerment, one may find they can effortlessy go where ever they want.
in the meantime, if it were me?, i would - and very well may - pack up my wild foraging foods and herb books, load up my survival gear (including a fire powered and/or solar powered water distiller!!!), and see if i could get a piece of land with a clean river surrounded by deeep woods. in other words - pretty much an hours drive from just about any city above 100 ft sea level in america!!
cheers, astronaut rob, sure hope you get some replies that could be more helpful to your "where to move" dilemma.
ps, i guess you don't need me to tell you, but if you start searching youtube under headings like "bushwacking", "homesteading", etc - wow, it's unbelievable some of the resilient things humans are doing (lot's of couples too!!). might spark some ideas??
best of luck, man!
hey, THC peeps, help astronautrob find a landing sight!!
We’re looking at 40 latitude and below for growing, homesteading success. I read above that frost and increasing cold temps can be an issue. Also would want it warm enough for off grid if necessary and power disruptions. In addition access to water, clean air, solar potential and locally grown, sourced food. A community of local farms. Personal freedoms and lower taxes a plus! So far Northern Arizona (Greer area), Taos New Mexico area and Grand Junction area of Colorado meets criteria. Cost of land keeps rising and even higher if property has water rights, well and cistern. Still exploring, we prefer dry climates versus humid. High value topic and discussion!
I live in Lawrence KS... although being a little boring geographically, KS is pretty awesome, I love it here, it's affordable and fun, easy to purchase land if you want it, veggies grow here and besides tornados, the weather is seasonal, but I like all 4. (I've never been affected by a tornado personally, that's kinda like winning the lotto) ... I lived in FL and hurricanes affected EVERYONE, I'll take my chances with tornados. Eastern Colorado is basically the same as Western KS, gotta be cheap out there, I'm on the east side, near KC, but land is still plentiful, just a little more humid. Anyway... just repping KS out here lol 🙂