Before I launch into this, I need to explain why my subscription lapsed. To protect my personal financial data from hackers, I used a foreign currency debit card to pay my subscription. I lapsed in topping it up and so did my subscription.(Sorry) I tried to renew my subscription after I'd topped up the card, but your website blocked me from doing so with that card. I now have a new foreign currency card and will renew my subscription, but you need to be aware of this if you want to optimise paid subscriptions to your second hour. That said, I've just signed up again and am forward to listening to the full episode.
The first hour interview with Jeran was fascinating. If it demonstrates anything it's that the best research involves keeping an open mind and visiting somewhere for yourself before you come to an opinion about it. (Something I've learned from doing my own research in South America).
On curvature: Back in the 19th century, Karl Friedrich Gauss discovered there were two kinds of curvature 1). extrinsic curves, which you can see with your own eyes and 2). intrinsic curves, which you can't see. The difference between the two is scale. We can see only curvature that's on our own physical scale, through our eyes. Ultimately, Gauss' geometry of curvature was used by Einstein in General Relativity, The mainstream he demonstrated that the fabric of space-time itself was distorted by massive objects; and that this somehow was connected to gravity and inertia.
On rotation and torsion: The mainstream version of General Relativity says that the curvature of space is fixed and static, but there are other interpretations. Another says that the curvature is actually twisted and dynamic (torsion). Dynamic differences in curvature are linked to the presence of massive objects, just as in mainstream GR, but there are localised differences in how twisted space-time gets (i.e. there are vortices, or vortexes if you're North American).
If both of the above points are true, then the Earth's own axis of rotation is going to be of central importance, not just to how we see the world through the local configuration of space-time, but to the nature of physics itself. In a nutshell: rotation is central the nature of physicality and to how it interacts with what may be beyond the physical.
I agree with Jeran about the flat earth's possibly being a psy-op, but I would add another reason for it. If an elite group knew about a physics that was more like the torsion model that I've outlined (imperfectly) as the basis of covert technologies, it just might want to divert people's attention from thinking about the earth's axis of rotation. As Jeran explained very clearly, in the world-view of flat-earthers, there can be no rotation of the Earth.
Some say that Cyrus Teed proved the curvature in 1896... Check it out
@markh Thanks, i will - It's always useful for my own research to learn something new.
@pachakutec Also check out the Tamarack Mines Experiment - both possible to replicate today, esp Teed's Rectilineator (albeit at modest time and expense rather than in your back garden)
Well. Flat Earth was a fun idea but it's not the hill I would plant my flag and die on. Firstly, I don't see myself ever leaving the continental United States so there's that.
And second. A Flat Earth model predicts a 24-hour sun at every point on the map. So you would always see the sun in the sky. This was obvious the first time I saw that little Flat earth animation.
This THC episode was great! It was like a THC episode reverse engineered lol
@isaiah Ancient cosmologies just might have been far more sophisticated than we give our remote ancestors credit for. As you rightly point out, common-sense observations and more than a modicum of intelligence should enable anyone to work out how day differs from from night. That's why in the Egyptian Book of What is in the Duat, we find, "In the Duat, the boat of the Sun is pulled by the souls of the grateful dead." The Duat is the underworld, or land of the dead, but it's also the heavens - or a particular part thereof. The underworld is a kind of mirror image of the heavens, which hints at a cosmology that goes way beyond the crass materialism of modern science. It's also, so I believe, origin of the name of a certain band from your country which I particularly admire. .
"Flat" earth is a misconception and purposely used that way. It's obvious the world isn't completely flat. We have hills, mountains, and different levels of land. However, that does not mean we live on a globe. I've been in airplanes many times without seeing a curvature. That word air=plane seems to gives me the idea we're on a plane of some sort. Most globe explanations don't make sense where as flat/plane earth do. The sun is 24 hrs no matter the shape of the earth. We just can't see it when it's not near us. Same as how boats disappear over a horizon. That goes the same for either theory
@confessionsofarider Ahh!, so boats just fall off. That's why you can't see them any more once they reach the "horizon" (aka edge). Oh, I thought it was winter because the sun wasn't as near where I was on a globe that was tilted obliquely relative to its axis of rotation. It turns out I was so wrong about that one. Thank you so much for explaining everything. 🙄
@pachakutec why mention my name when I said none of those things? Boats disappear over the horizon, because they are too far out of sight that's been proven. It's more likely that it's winter because of the sun being further away on the plane. It's winter in the northern hemisphere North America, Europe, & Asia. While it's summer in the southern hemisphere South America, Africa, & Australia. That does not make sense with the axis tilt explanation. I'm sorry, but there seems to be a lot of things that we are finding out we were wrong about. That's what makes this show so great!
@confessionsofarider Are you fond of using the phrase, "Water finds its own level"? Well, that's certainly true. It's just that the "level" that every single body of water has is actually curved. Molecular surface tension means that water has something called a meniscus which, in the case of water, is concave. Over vast bodies of water, such as an ocean, that curvature is intrinsic - so you can't actually see the curve. (See my first post on this matter about intrinsic and extrinsic curvature). Try doing some proper research before you opine. People might take you more seriously then.
