Before I launch into this, I need to explain why my subscription lapsed. To protect my personal financial data from hackers, I used a foreign currency debit card to pay my subscription. I lapsed in topping it up and so did my subscription.(Sorry) I tried to renew my subscription after I'd topped up the card, but your website blocked me from doing so with that card. I now have a new foreign currency card and will renew my subscription, but you need to be aware of this if you want to optimise paid subscriptions to your second hour. That said, I've just signed up again and am forward to listening to the full episode.
The first hour interview with Jeran was fascinating. If it demonstrates anything it's that the best research involves keeping an open mind and visiting somewhere for yourself before you come to an opinion about it. (Something I've learned from doing my own research in South America).
On curvature: Back in the 19th century, Karl Friedrich Gauss discovered there were two kinds of curvature 1). extrinsic curves, which you can see with your own eyes and 2). intrinsic curves, which you can't see. The difference between the two is scale. We can see only curvature that's on our own physical scale, through our eyes. Ultimately, Gauss' geometry of curvature was used by Einstein in General Relativity, The mainstream he demonstrated that the fabric of space-time itself was distorted by massive objects; and that this somehow was connected to gravity and inertia.
On rotation and torsion: The mainstream version of General Relativity says that the curvature of space is fixed and static, but there are other interpretations. Another says that the curvature is actually twisted and dynamic (torsion). Dynamic differences in curvature are linked to the presence of massive objects, just as in mainstream GR, but there are localised differences in how twisted space-time gets (i.e. there are vortices, or vortexes if you're North American).
If both of the above points are true, then the Earth's own axis of rotation is going to be of central importance, not just to how we see the world through the local configuration of space-time, but to the nature of physics itself. In a nutshell: rotation is central the nature of physicality and to how it interacts with what may be beyond the physical.
I agree with Jeran about the flat earth's possibly being a psy-op, but I would add another reason for it. If an elite group knew about a physics that was more like the torsion model that I've outlined (imperfectly) as the basis of covert technologies, it just might want to divert people's attention from thinking about the earth's axis of rotation. As Jeran explained very clearly, in the world-view of flat-earthers, there can be no rotation of the Earth.
Some say that Cyrus Teed proved the curvature in 1896... Check it out
@markh Thanks, i will - It's always useful for my own research to learn something new.
@pachakutec Also check out the Tamarack Mines Experiment - both possible to replicate today, esp Teed's Rectilineator (albeit at modest time and expense rather than in your back garden)
Well. Flat Earth was a fun idea but it's not the hill I would plant my flag and die on. Firstly, I don't see myself ever leaving the continental United States so there's that.
And second. A Flat Earth model predicts a 24-hour sun at every point on the map. So you would always see the sun in the sky. This was obvious the first time I saw that little Flat earth animation.
This THC episode was great! It was like a THC episode reverse engineered lol
@isaiah Ancient cosmologies just might have been far more sophisticated than we give our remote ancestors credit for. As you rightly point out, common-sense observations and more than a modicum of intelligence should enable anyone to work out how day differs from from night. That's why in the Egyptian Book of What is in the Duat, we find, "In the Duat, the boat of the Sun is pulled by the souls of the grateful dead." The Duat is the underworld, or land of the dead, but it's also the heavens - or a particular part thereof. The underworld is a kind of mirror image of the heavens, which hints at a cosmology that goes way beyond the crass materialism of modern science. It's also, so I believe, origin of the name of a certain band from your country which I particularly admire. .
