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AstronautRob
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This is something that's been bouncing around in my head for awhile after listening to the David Whitehead episode. I wanted to get others thoughts on it, because it's something I'm having trouble reconciling in my worldview. It has to do with the depopulation theory, or modern medicine, or the idea that medicine has been controlled throughout history and has been used for depopulation.

In the episode that David was in he talked about depopulation and how the elites have been trying to do it through modern medicine, how they've controlled medicine throughout history and this has always been their goal, etc. (Among many other dope topics, really good episode). I'm probably butchering this, and this was a few podcasts ago, so please forgive me if I mix anything up or I misinterpreted what David was saying. If I do David, I'm sorry. But I believe he went into the red cross and the Knights of Malta basically dominating medicine, etc. So that stuff was super interesting and is something I can get down with. And the depopulation thing is nothing new. We hear that from a lot of different places, it's a common conspiracy thread. Georgia Guide stones or Bill Gates, stuff like that. I dig it. Generally it involves stuff with medicine, or technology, dieses maybe, vaccines, or nukes I guess, things like that. It's something I vibe with. I do think the elites want to depopulate the planet. I think that modern medical model is broken and does not promote real healing. Doctors are just drug dispensers. So I agree with all that stuff.

Here's my question....

If they are trying to depopulate the planet using medicine, why are they doing such a bad job? And not just a bad job, they are doing the complete opposite...they literally made the population grow faster, right?

Ok so follow me here.

If we say modern medicine starts, what, 1940's-ish? I don't want to argue that point but lets just say somewhere around there. I mean, the population has sky rocket since then. 1950's on the population shoots crazy high if you look at a population graph. So even if we say they've controlled medicine since the 1940's, how are they depopulating us with it? They are literally populating the planet...right? 

These are honest questions because, like I said, I'm down with the whole idea of the elites wanting to depopulate, etc., but I don't understand how they are doing it through medicine. Maybe the argument would be that there are cracks in the system? Like good things got through. You see that in other areas like emergency medicine. To be objective we are much better at saving someone's lives today then 100 years ago. A lot more babies live, etc. So maybe that's the main argument but still even with cracks they are doing a terrible job. And how can the elites ruthlessly suppress something like free energy, or the hydrogen combustion engine, but when it comes to medicine stuff gets through? 

Just some thoughts. I'm sure there are better arguments for why would this be or not be. Wanted to hear other's opinions on this line of thinking...? 

 

Sorry I do not know how to put this in the correct forum...

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Hi no expert but I will take a stab at it.

We have been told that the planets population is going ruin the planet due to increasing energy consumption and limited resources. I have heard it said that we have exponential population growth

In 1950, five years after the founding of the United Nations, world population was estimated at around 2.6 billion people. It reached 5 billion in 1987 and 6 billion in 1999.  In October 2011, the global population was estimated to be 7 billion. A global movement 7 Billion Actions was launched to mark this milestone. The world’s population is expected to increase by 2 billion persons in the next 30 years, from 7.7 billion currently to 9.7 billion in 2050 and could peak at nearly 11 billion around 2100.  

This dramatic growth has been driven largely by increasing numbers of people surviving to reproductive age, and has been accompanied by major changes in fertility rates, increasing urbanization and accelerating migration. These trends will have far-reaching implications for generations to come.

The world population is projected to reach 8.5 billion in 2030, and to increase further to 9.7 billion in 2050 and 11.2 billion by 2100. As with any type of projection, there is a degree of uncertainty surrounding these latest population projections. 

 

BUT

 

The global population growth rate has already slowed down considerably: it reached its peak at over 2% in the late 1960s and has been falling since. With less people being born it the world population will start dropping dramatically in the coming decades as mentioned by elon musk.

 

WHY?

Why have human reproduction rates dropped when medicine has increased survival rates?

Pollution 

Poor food choice and quality

Pesticides etc

Less physical activity lowers testosterone

Probably many more that others can add but I got other things to do right now.

 

Vaccines ( modern medcine)

 

 

Some sites I got info and quotes from below.

https://www.un.org/en/global-issues/population#:~:text=The%20world%20population%20is%20projected,surrounding%20these%20latest%20population%20projections.

 

https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-growth#the-population-growth-rate

 

https://blog.ucsusa.org/doug-boucher/world-population-growth-exponential/

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Hi no expert but I will take a stab at it.

We have been told that the planets population is going ruin the planet due to increasing energy consumption and limited resources. I have heard it said that we have exponential population growth

In 1950, five years after the founding of the United Nations, world population was estimated at around 2.6 billion people. It reached 5 billion in 1987 and 6 billion in 1999.  In October 2011, the global population was estimated to be 7 billion. A global movement 7 Billion Actions was launched to mark this milestone. The world’s population is expected to increase by 2 billion persons in the next 30 years, from 7.7 billion currently to 9.7 billion in 2050 and could peak at nearly 11 billion around 2100.  

This dramatic growth has been driven largely by increasing numbers of people surviving to reproductive age, and has been accompanied by major changes in fertility rates, increasing urbanization and accelerating migration. These trends will have far-reaching implications for generations to come.

The world population is projected to reach 8.5 billion in 2030, and to increase further to 9.7 billion in 2050 and 11.2 billion by 2100. As with any type of projection, there is a degree of uncertainty surrounding these latest population projections. 

 

BUT

 

The global population growth rate has already slowed down considerably: it reached its peak at over 2% in the late 1960s and has been falling since. With less people being born it the world population will start dropping dramatically in the coming decades as mentioned by elon musk.

 

WHY?

Why have human reproduction rates dropped when medicine has increased survival rates?

Pollution 

Poor food choice and quality

Pesticides etc

Less physical activity lowers testosterone

Probably many more that others can add but I got other things to do right now.

 

Vaccines ( modern medcine)

 

 

Some sites I got info and quotes from below.

https://www.un.org/en/global-issues/population#:~:text=The%20world%20population%20is%20projected,surrounding%20these%20latest%20population%20projections.

 

https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-growth#the-population-growth-rate

 

https://blog.ucsusa.org/doug-boucher/world-population-growth-exponential/

Thank you for the very detailed response. Some really good stats and facts.

However, I don't know if it answers the question any better. These stats almost take us more in the direction of the elites not having any control of the medical system which means they couldn't be using it for depopulation. I mean 1950 is supposed to be the start of Rockefeller medicine (more or less), and according to these stats the population has EXPLODED since then. I fail to see how they are using medicine to depopulate the earth. Again, it almost seems like they've done the opposite...straight populated the earth hard. Two of the things you listed, increasing numbers of people surviving to reproductive age, fertility rates, can almost be directly contributed to the "advances" of modern medicine. The other two, increasing urbanization and accelerating migration, are off-shoots of elitist globalists policies themselves.

And that's a very good point about the growth rate, but it is still positive right? It's just slowed down over the years but the world's population is still increasing, so I don't know if that's the best indicator. Again, to me if they were trying to depopulate, why would they let the population grow so quickly, or even let it grow at all? Wouldn't we have a negative population growth? I don't know....just some thoughts.

I think the elites are trying to depopulate, but I just don't know if I buy they whole "they've controlled the medical system for centuries and have been using medicine to depopulate." Which again, I don't know if that was EXACTLY David's point in this podcast specifically, maybe I misinterpreted. And it was a few podcast ago so maybe I'm not getting it right at all. If so, again David and anyone else, I'm sorry.

 Modern medicine sucks, yes. The petrochemical industrial medical model does not support real healing, or really any healing at all. I think if you take medicine in the last idk 20-30 years, yes you can make a good argument that they are trying different things to depopulate us/slow down growth rate, but what about the years before that? How can we say they were trying to depopulate through medicine when it seems like advances in medicine caused the population boom. Ok, yes food nutrition, things like that all play a part, but medicine was also a big factor.

Again, I don't know. I'm just spitting out thoughts, trying to see what comes up. I really appreciate your post and def don't want to seem argumentative or anything (if I come off that way please excuse me). 

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@lowertopmute Very astute that you list some of your sources. Question? Have you checked your premise? (Not that world population lowering is the agenda) but who is doing the counting? The UN?

They were involved in the WHO, NIH and the CDC during all the 'tabulation' efforts during the SARS-2 scare. How manipulated were the numbers in that little statistics massaging exercise?

IF we demanded that coroner's reports be directly subject to the disclosure rules of the FOIA (without redactions and/or denials of disclosures under claims of exemption altogether) at least the true number of deaths as compared to the true number of births in a given geography could be tracked. On-line even.

The point is: Whose numbers are you taking as credible when considering the 'world population' question in the first place[?]  Same people and institutions administratively that are telling us how many actual soldiers, sailors and airmen were lost in Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan? the UN's population numbers for the world? (We're NOT ready to believe you). 

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mr. astronaut 

i too have never understood why so many "truthers"/"woke" people (for lack of better terms) so often claim the agenda of the elite is depopulation.

- first, they already possess the technology to dustify the entire planet, and,

- secondly, they feed off off the real people - they feed off of their (our) souls and emotions. (i thought this was rather self evident)

and geez, if you understand the dark side trust law you learn that every friggen human in christendom is a bonded insurity on the stock market via their birthcertificate/cusip number. (sorry, i,m to tired to bring up links right now. see y.t.: david strsight)

ya  in general, i find it odd when people claim with such apparent confidence to know the elites "agenda". i mean  does a psychopath really have a discernable agenda!?!?

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@jadeheart Yes I agree with both your points. If they wanted to depopulate the earth, they could do it in a much quicker way. Maybe the argument against that is that it's not covert enough...? Maybe say it's not controlled enough? I don't know. I agree they feed off our emotions and fear, like Mutley said below, so I don't see why they would be trying to depopulate us. That's why I couldn't get behind the idea of medicine being controlled for ages and being used to depopulate us. I just don't see evidence of that.

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If you believe that they feed off our fear then depopulation makes no sense, other than to make us fear that depopulation is their goal

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@mutley_plain So what where your thoughts on the ideas expressed by David in the podcast? Do you think medicine has been controlled by a certain group for a long time and used as a tool of depopulation? At least that's what I think he was getting at...

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Try this perspective on: A young person goes into medicine. Become part of a massive flow of wealth and resources present in big Pharma, mega-medical insurance behemouths, medical instruments and support apparatus, the medical journal industrires, and the mega hospital installations. They walk into the profession massively in debt most times. For many large hospital (groups) their catastrophic illness business floats the rest of all the rest of their ridiculous overhead. If any other business sector had so much top heavy structure to support, they'd be bankrupt in a heartbeat. A small number of mendacious personalities with no conscience have co-opted all of that effort and all that is built by people who get into the profession because they truly do want to help people and aspire to be the heroic figures that movies are made about. But? The manipulators of the whole medical system are defaulting to their most lucrative instant gratification outlook as far as keeping this Titanic afloat. So? They have converted it into a collection of poisoners who have weedled their way into the place where they can coerce the white hats into virtue signaling. And? We have a TRUE epidemic as a result: but not SARS-2, instead it is autism in children. The medical sector remember, is part of, and tied at the hip to the insurance sector, the legal profession sector, and the banking sectors. All of which are seeing the huge Jenga game of pillaging the tower of blocks to the place where is teeters on the brink in nearly every conventional business cycle. 

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@kaboom Right on, thank you for the thought provoking response. It sounds like we are in the same boat with our thinking also. Making a population dependent on the medical system (people with autism), instead of actual depopulation, is what has been set up for (if I'm understanding you correctly). Good take, I like it. I also think it's something more along these lines instead of just trying to depopulate the world. Autism is kind of a new thing though, do you think this something new that the medical establishment has been doing or something they have been doing forever (or recorded history, w.e.)?

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