Dr. David Shoemaker | Thelemic Magick, Aleister Crowley, & Finding Your True Will

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In this show, Dr. David Shoemaker joins THC to discuss the religion/philosophy of Thelema. We talk about the various schools and initiatory orders that practice Thelema, introductory rituals, Aleister Crowley, finding your True Will,  and many of the other stops along the magician’s path.

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16 Responses

  1. I’ve been reading about Helena Blavatsky lately and also reading some of the magical treatises that are available. From a culture-shaping point-of-view, I wonder if she and Crowley were basically trying to plot a path out of the materialistic philosophy that really seems to dominate the western world view now.

    From the personal journey point-of-view, I am also stuck trying to have that authentic personal experience of the alternate reality that’s out there.

    So, if we do have a soul, and if it’s attached to our body but it’s also capable of interacting with the world or “seeing’, then why do we have sense organs to interact with the world? If there’s a soul, it seems to me that the interaction it might have with its own natural plane of existence must be radically different than we’re used to with our senses. How would it “see” without eyes? Where would it store memories with no brain?

    1. Kevin, you mentioned why would we even have sense organs, it made me remember a lyric from a Twenty One Pilots song, funnily enough I’ve been listening too non stop because Gregg using the song Forests by them in a podcast, but from the song “Be Concerned”, it’s an amazing true piece of art of the struggle to believe in “God”(as an ex-atheist, still such an annoying word).

      “It’s so hard to motivate,
      Me to devote a,
      Single inch of me to,
      Something I can’t see I,
      Don’t mean to pry but why,
      Would you even make the eyes?
      I don’t believe my ears,
      And I’m scared of my own head,
      I will deny you for years,
      Then I’ll make you raise me from the dead,
      And if I said that I would live for you,
      For nothing in return,
      Well I’m sorry Mr. Gullible,
      But lying’s all I’ve learned,
      So be concerned.”

      And the song on YouTube, I could only find it over a speed paint.

      Much love.

    2. I think there is an entire “unknown” anatomy – what we barely glimpse or remember when we use the word “soul” – that was well known to our ancestors. I refer specifically here to the Ancient Egyptians and the 9 (some say 7) parts of the soul that they mention in various texts.

      Essentially, it seems that we devolved our “spritual” senses and evolved our physical ones.

  2. Great show. I live the way he explains things and how he lets you know thateach person has a different perspective, path/True Wil and doesn’t force a direction of beliefs on you one way or another, but yet gives his beliefs a nd experiences. Great show. Good wisdom. Well done. Two thumbs up.

  3. Greg this guy was spot with his presentation. After hearing the Podcast i went on the hunt for documentation or any steps on getting in touch with an HGA. After reading the steps this requires the utmost attention and proper steps to be taken. It almost 6 months of full prayer, fasting meditation, weening of carnal desires, up to ignoring your family just to hone this down except for taking care of matters that need to be done. So you need the time, the financial resources, the location and the Gonads to get this done.

    1. I felt the same way about this show. Bells just went off for me for a number of reasons (Jung, serious self-analysis, true will) – so I bought the book, saw that David Shoemaker operates out of my hometown, and went to one of his public meetings last night. As you say, it’s a huge commitment (and I’m a working mom with a toddler) so I’m not sure when my stepping off point would be, but I’m very interested. In the meanwhile I’m going to go through his list of recommended reading. He’s an amazing spokesperson for his cause.

  4. Great show. When I started subscribing, you asked if I had any ideas for a topic to cover, and the first thing that came to mind was a show about Aleister Crowley without the usual prejudices that come from almost every corner: Christian Fundamentalists, many New Agers, Atheists you name it. By then I had not heard yet the shows with Du Quette. They are great, but this last show was one huge step more in the right direction.

  5. Great episode Greg! It’s good to hear the likes of Dr. Shoemaker, chipping away the ‘stone of negativity’ surrounding Crowley. His HGA reminds me of Anthony Peake’s theory of the Daemon.

  6. This is one of the podcasts to date. No wonder you’re charting so high now!

    Your questions and comments were on target and the guest was very engaging. More like this please! 🙂

  7. My subconscious always liberate messages for me through songs. Listening to this great show, it came this one:

    “(Can’t You) Trip Like I Do”

    I’ve got the understanding of a four year old
    I’ve got the piece of mind of a killer’s soul
    I’ve got the rationale of a New York cop
    I’ve got the patience of a chopping block

    I’ve got the accumen of a seasoned pro
    I’ve got the legacy of a billion souls
    I’ve got the world down my back, but I don’t seem to care
    I’ve got the comprehension of a world unaware

    Can’t you trip like I do?

    Laid out on my back, I can’t sleep ’cause I’m slumming
    Eyes in my teeth, I can’t see ’cause I’m eating
    Head full of noise, I can’t think ’cause it’s crushing
    Back on my feet, like a freight train I’m cumming

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