David Rodriguez | The Education Conspiracy And The History Of Forced Schooling

Show Notes


Many people interested in the topic we can dub, “The Education Conspiracy,” will know the name John Taylor Gatto. He’s been a highly decorated teacher, who turned whistleblower and has been writing about the nefarious agenda behind compulsory schooling and the players that put it in place ever since.

Due to his health, John has a hard time with lengthy audio interviews, but we are joined by David J. Rodriguez, the publisher of John’s latest book: The Underground History of American Education 

He is also the Founder of Education Options Expo, which is an event where parents are introduced to respectful schools and approaches to learning, like private schooling and homeschooling, and where they hear from leaders who are demonstrating the future of education today. After selling his business at age 26, he moved to South Korea where he taught English at a high-performance high school. His business background includes work in the fields of insurance, biotechnology, and dentistry. He was born and raised in California, where he attended public school. He received a business degree from San Jose State University. His newest book project with Mr. Gatto has exclusive contributions from Dr. Ron Paul, G. Edward Griffin, and Lew Rockwell, and will be made into a film in 2018.  In addition, Mr. Rodriguez is the Founding Principal of Valor Academy, which is a private school that sets students free to pursue their interests, passions, and dreams (to launch in the Fall).

For education options, check out the Expo: or contact David on Twitter: @djrodriguez2015


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      1. I completely agree with my conspiratorial colleague DT, David Rodriguez is brilliant in this show. DT you need to tell your missus to give the kids freedom! #TrojanTeacher lol

        Carlwood I must agree with you on your views towards English and Math when you were in school, I was the same, I felt I had more creativity and imagination when I creatively wrote, as opposed to algebra etc

  1. I Love that you chose this topic, Greg.
    David is so onto the idea of let the child leed the way. They have a full grown soul in a short body!
    If you love your child, you will find a way. Also, learn from your children and teach Your parents.
    I have seen parents that don’t even want to spend time with their children but they keep having them.


  2. Love me some Gatto.

    I homeschooled all three of mine.
    Homeschool is NOT “school at home”.

    Looking forward to the interview.

    Busy studying today though.

    Many blessings.

  3. I’m glad you’re reading so much.
    It’s been years since I’ve read Gatto.

    The purpose of public school is to program the populace to work, buy, consume, die.

  4. Werd;) GC that is what’s up my friend! 1st job 13. Raised by my grandmother single parent. I did it cuz I wanted to help, she worked very hard. Being young and having responsibilities is key to building character. So happy I did it while young because I realized early on the system is fucking clown Shoes 🙂 Work hard….for yourself. The system can sux it! ?

  5. No discussion on American education would be complete without referencing Charlotte Iserbyt’s
    “Deliberate Dumbing Down” material. Here’s a link:
    It is a free e-book download. Her youtube interviews detail all her efforts to alert the public and put a stop to the total mind control techniques of the “system”. Be sure to watch her expose” of Yale’s Skull and Bones for an insiders list and discussion of who runs America!

  6. Hi Greg, first of all a good show. In fact, your last few have been “en fuego”. Anyway, mine is a bit of a sensitive question and a comment, not particularly with Mr Rodriguez presentation, just it’s content. first, this appears more naturally geared toward middle-class families and (dare I say) families more socially and financially secure. I don’t believe this to be purposeful, just apparent. hopefully, these researchers and educators see this need and act accordingly. Anyway, secondly, a word of gratitude to you and all the HC chatters. been a plus member for a year. $ well spent young man. And as I’ve been listening to your show closes recently and I gotta say…your words recently about getting off my ass and tapping into my dream (aibeit a new dream) of starting a podcast. This is ongoing and i’m really excited. So thank you Greg. I hope using this forum is ok? As an old dude, tweets and facebook are new so…Great Day, Great Shows

    1. I got that too. The problem here, as I see it, is that to get out of “The System”, you have to hit a non-govt-funded school,( $1000/term min) or home school, which could hurt if both parents are lower earning, ’cause one has to stop work; can survival be had on one income? If your incomes are low, maybe not. It’s what is called The Trap!
      This is why only people with relative wealth were educated early in their lives in the past, before compuls, Govt, systems. I do not mean dollar wealth so much as self sufficiency/sustainability wealth.

      It’s a hell of a bind for those stuck in urban lives in a Western system; options are few and far between.

      1. It’s a matter of what your priorities are. I didn’t have children to be government-charge mind-controlled sheeple.

        People don’t want to give up their “shiny front”. Children suffer.

        1. Yeah, good call. I was thinking outside the home education, but in the right countries, I can totally see solid 4 grade style literacy and numeracy being taught in the home, post enlightenment era.

          Also, going back far enough, literacy was viewed by people of oral traditions as a kind of ‘witchcraft’, because they could see no other useful purpose for it. The Australian tribes spoke sparingly and had no letters, but their bushcraft showed a dazzling intellect.

          So, I guess there is education and education, so to speak.

  7. As a former college instructor, and a life-long Waldorfian (having spent fourteen years attending Waldorf Schools K-12), I whole heartedly agree with the cog mentality promoted by the system of public education in this country. Unfortunately, standardized testing is creeping into college as well – and any voiced opposition to it is treated as heresy. Which leads me to my second point. Having been the odd-man-out for my opinions, I was slowly but surely eliminated from any social gatherings with my department. After ten years of teaching with a flawless teaching record, I was assaulted in the school parking lot by five men, and had the audacity to push back so I could run into my office. This resulted in a surveillance video being altered so as not to show what happened, and myself being fired for the crime of battery. There is a “no tolerance” policy, hence as an instructor at the college, I was immediately terminated. So much for the union that saving “bad” instructors like myself – if the politics are such that you’re a black sheep – then the union be damned, they’ll find a way to get rid of you!

  8. Sorry to hear Gatto s too sick to conduct interviews. There’s something tedious about David Rodriguez’s voice, that happens with some of your guests, makes it hard to listen for two hours. Gatto is a much better speaker.

  9. Hey Greg!
    After hearing a couple of weeks ago your interview with Cara St. Louis I was excited to find out about John Taylor Gatto’s work. Since then I have been digesting all he has to offer. This morning in fact I woke up with the thought of re watching the 5 hour interview he has on YouTube dissecting the history and ideological justifications for it. After that I was on your website (and I don’t believe in coincidence) and your interview with David was postedwhat a treat! My research into education and the crippling of children started at a very early age when I was raised on my mother’s stories of being raised in a Catholic orphanage run by nuns in the 60’s. As you can imagine that trifecta can be an enormous hurtle to overcome. Her stories consisted of the use of her and her fellow orphans for pharmaceutical and surgical experimentation. Since orphans are wards of the state they have no rights and this obviosly can be seen today in the overmedication of foster children. This included a number of her friends receiving lobotomies at the age of 10 and cocktails of psychotropic drugs. My mother was put on a medication in the third grade when after being molested by another orphan in a larger age group. She fought back her attacker and was subsequently deemed violent and irrational. This led to her taking the medication which kept her asleep for the entirety of the class until 18. While her classmates in high school were protesting for civil rights or going to woodstock, she was asleep in class un aware of the world around her. A great example of this was that she didnt know who jfk or Martin luther king jr was and didnt find out about them until a time far past their assassination. When waking up from her medication stuper at 18 she basically had the mind of a 3rd grader and found herself in a world unrecognizable to her last memories of the world which mostly consisted of the 1950s. No longer a responsibility of the state she was cast out into the world of 1970s NYC that one president described as an example of the blitzkrieg. Teaching herself how to read by reading Little women over a dozen times she finally got her GED after the fourth try. This inevitably led to her home schooling me and my brother and sisters while attending public school at the same time. I got double education in a way and managed to be more of a crital thinker of my educational experience. It was not apparent until college when talking to my colleagues how much father ahead and aware I was of the world then they. I hope to build a Hogwarts style school one day using open source learning as the basis.
    Anyways thanks so much for your work and as a plus member I am ecstatic to have real conversation at my finger tips. As a fellow stoner and cannabis educator I am so grateful for your persistence for the truth and diversity of ideas brought to the table. Now back to smoking a little smoke and drinking a little drink and indulging in the pod casts.

  10. I’ve been homeschooling my daughter since birth. She ‘s eleven now and she is close to being a self-teaching learner at this point.
    I highly recommend homeschooling, unschooling or relaxed schooling.

    Greg, since we are on the subject. I assumed you may have had a “college education” judging by your language skills on the shows. You definitely exemplify success and good values.
    You are a superior example of an educated interviewer, in my opinion. It is funny that the only mistakes I’ve ever heard you make are how you say “EXpecially” instead of “especially.” Your gonna end up getting me to say it!
    Love ya’, Greg. Just pulling your chain really.
    Keep up the good work. Please keep doing what your doing.
    Thanks for the helpful interviews.

  11. Awesome… this is what I was thinking about education since when I was a teenager too… any time there was some form of questions of ‘rebellious’ thoughts you were stigmatised and even ridiculed for not fitting in. Even if I corrected the many, many historical facts they got wrong or knew more about the matter because I actually had read the books about it, instead of reciting the government approved ‘learn themes’ – in Europe they have these systems where the govs write out in full what students absolutely need to know… it’s sometimes stuff that isn’t even remotely relevant.

    What this society is creating is people who work, consume and do nothing else than follow the grind.
    Great episode!
    (And I gladly consumed that too, … 😉

  12. as a 23 year old parent of a 4 year old little girl this podcast was wonderful man. Thank you for this, easily my new favorite THC episode. Some real world breakdown no speculation to be had all cold hard truth. I loved it man keep it up greg.

  13. Thanks Greg for this show. While I do think it’s a little hyperbolic to say that Public Schools are “harming our children” I do agree that Public schools are indoctrinating our kids with materialistic values and subservience to authority. The Public schools today serve the kids from families that are immigrants who don’t have much in the way of education or even language, poor and working class kids that live in poverty and whose parents may not have even finished high school and kids with behavioral problems or learning disabilities that would not be admitted to Private schools. The middle class kids in these schools suffer from the fact that the curriculum has to serve all of these kids and so becomes “dumbed down”. With Public schools so underfunded and crowded there is no way that the schools could offer the more advanced curriculum of most Private schools or offer the nurturing and one on one of a Waldorf. Most middle income parents can’t afford to take time off to home school or afford the 30K a year for private school tuition. I agree with David and what they can do is what I do with my child, supplement his education with a writing tutor, music lessons, after school math instruction and home based projects. I also am active with the PTA and volunteer my time in the school and to other parent’s kids to teach.

    Instead of destroying our Public Institutions what I would advocate for its taking them back from the elites that would use them for their own agenda, the Public schools should reflect our agenda. We also have to be careful that those that arguments along David Rodruez’s line aren’t use to destroy one of the United
    State’s last strong unions – The Teachers Union. I may be old school but I think the mess we are in today comes from the destruction of our trade unions through the export of working class jobs to Asia along with the import of thousands of unskilled laborers to the United States. People did not complain about Public Education when the schools mostly served educated middle class white kids. I agree wholeheartedly with David that the Public Schools are failing but we can take them back and offer the working class and poor kids the education that is available to the wealthy. (I don’t think this can be done with vouchers). I mean where else can kids experience the diversity that is the reality of our nation today.

    1. I have to say your comment is excellent jwp. I grew up in a poor neighborhood, and all the conditions you mention above are what I’ve experienced as well. I also want to throw in that not everybody learns the same way. Some people are happier with a hierarchical structure . . . as much as it pains me to say that.

      I noticed we are being managed by our culture and our school system long before I accepted any larger conspiracies. I saw the impending doom of NAFTA before I noticed the esoteric magickal system we are embedded in. I find myself wanting to fight back but can see even dissent has been strategized against; I’m thinking of the vaccine/public school choice mentioned in this show. I suppose my flaws are very difficult to overcome too; I enjoy my diversions too much. There is no doubt I get energized listening to the voices on this site. Greg you are a very bright guy too; much brighter than the “stoner”name you give yourself. In the end, we need to come together somehow, but finding a legitimate narrative to unify a peaceful protest seems more and more difficult to find.

      1. “but finding a legitimate narrative to unify a peaceful protest seems more and more difficult to find.”
        I agree, folks are angry now and starting to look at people like Trump to give a voice to their anger.
        Unfortunately Muslims seem to be getting the short end of the stick along with immigrants in general.
        The anger is really being directed against the wrong people though, it’s people in Trump’s elite class that folks
        should really should be focusing their anger on. It started with NAFTA and the destruction of the Trade Unions, continued with the raid on the Treasury by Bush who used 9/11 as a pretext to transfer Trillions of dollars to
        private contractors, next we had the Wall Street bail out paid for by quantitative easing that devalued our currency while raiding our pension funds and continues today with the TPP. Last time I looked neither Muslims or Mexicans were responsible for these actions. It’s a classic right wing tactic, redirect the anger that should be focused on the elites against those with little or no political power.

        1. That is the whole problem with anger; if you don’t transmute it really quickly after that initial buzz, it just turns into holding-onto-the-hot-rock syndrome. You burn the shit out of yourself, and look for someone to throw it at. Anyone.

          Stop voting in federal elections, stop paying federal taxes; removes your consent and your energy from the situation. Local, local, local!! ( and hopefully not gaol! 😉 )

          Federal Govt. and their taxes are, in the cast of Australia and the USA anyhow, an offshoot of wars. And when the war was done, the Govt. shrank back and the taxes were abolished, right??…….

    2. What crap.

      You start with saying that public schools aren’t harming children then go on to list how children are harmed in public schools.

      Subservience to authority and consumerism are horrible things with which to saddle anyone.

  14. Great show Greg yet again. Though one thing I disagree with is embracing 3D printing, which I believe is a trojan horse. It will kill what is left of the middle class, not that there is much left, and you will still be dependent on the corporations that create the technology and the goo that goes in it. New technology is not going to save us like some Messiah. We have to do the work to save ourselves and I believe it is more about building happy, healthy families and communities that will be the foundation for a sane and reverant future. Technology is a tool and must be used with wisdom.
    Metaphors be with you!

  15. This was a very good and informative interview!
    After listening to this, I thought about all the many facets that connect to the manipulation of humanity and thought you might be interested in interviewing a woman named Kris Anne Hall. She’s a constitutional attorney with an (almost) daily radio show on youtube. What an “EDUCATION” I’ve gotten from her, and I thought I was fairly well informed . . . wrong! She’s a real cage rattler.
    Thanks for your show, you’re a great interviewer!

  16. Greg,
    This show was/is a life changer for me. I`m now spend more and more time with my oldest (6.5 y.o.) daughter, teach her some skills and I let her become more independent, by letting her make her own decisions, I also let her do whatever she wants (as long as it`s not very dangerous) when we go outside. The next day after I listened to ~1hour of the show I went and bought Wenger Swiss Army Knife for her and she loves it and works with it very good. We didn`t send her to kindergarten, my wife was at home with her, taught her to read when she was 4 etc. We let her enjoy childhood and we do not rush to put her in school. I don`t know if we would be able to homeschool her, so we`re looking for a private school in our town/city. Fortunately I earn (just) enough money for all of us and my wife can be a good mother and a housewife. Now I`m close to end of the show and I will listen to it once again very soon. Thank you so much for shows like this! I`m so glad I pay you $5 every month 😀 !

  17. i am home-schooling now. My 15 year old simply stopped going to school, for months without me knowing it. Instead of allowing the child too become a juvenile delinquent, and to avoid the court process and attorney fees, in the last hour of the court date, I made my home a home school, and delivered the necessary paperwork to the public school district and the district attorney. Luckily I am in a state the honors home-schooling. We don’t get up early in the morning. We sleep in. The teen’s behavior has greatly improved with the extra sleep. My child is exceedingly smart and found the public schools practicing useless teaching. We are happy. What better motive can there be to stop your child from going to public schools?! We are happy and well-slept. Schooling in this town is extremely stressful. I came to hate the town I live in all due to the atrocities of the public schools and how badly we were treated by those schools. When they would ask what kind of “worker” he would be in the future, I simply told them my child will not be a average worker, instead my child will be a job creator. That certainly shut them up.

  18. BTW, What follows is IMHO, … I am in Lawrence, Kansas, where the public school system is absolutely disrespectful of the parent and the student,… IMHO. They neglect our children’s health and welfare by NOT starting school at a later hour, despite the recommendations of the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics, both of whom recommend later school start times. There are lots and lots of research supporting later school starting times. Is your school paying attention to the research and acting accordingly?

    If your child is still in public school, go after them and force them to change the school start times. Take action. Save our children from the horrors of public school.

  19. John Talyor Gatto’s “Ultimate History Lesson” is an absolute must watch. Richard Grove, the interviewer for that piece, does a tremendous job with the Peace Revolution Podcast. Extremely comprehensive and loaded with tons of info that everyone would grow from. Greg, once again…great, great interview. Perhaps a follow-up with David could be done later in the year (or next) after he has been able to get more of Gatto’s work out there.

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